Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker - ENDS 09/07/2018 - Sept 7th 2018

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Wed, 30 October 2019 02:49 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker - ENDS 09/07/2018 - Sept 7th 2018
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> IOS-XR revalidates. Has done since the beginning.

and that is likely why those rolling out ROV this year were XR users.
thank you.

>>> 2) "just introducing an IXP lan/RS that simply implements the validation
>>> and takes action(s) is the right course of action"
>> 
>> what is nice is that the ixp-provided filter does not have the same
>> problems as above.  so it is a leapfrog while hardware vendors catch up.
>> it is driving origin validation deployment.

further to that, as most RSs run bird and bird does not reevaluate, ...
it's boiling frog, not leapfrog.  sigh.

randy