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Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter

Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com> Thu, 03 May 2018 22:01 UTC

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From: Tim Hollebeek <tim.hollebeek@digicert.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, Ryan Sleevi <ryan-ietf@sleevi.com>, Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter
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(chair hat off)

I was at SECDISPATCH in London.  I'm in favor of short-lived certificates in 
general, but as I stated in London, I have many serious problems with this 
draft, which include the problems Ryan mentioned, and many more.  It's going 
to need a lot of work before we can consider adopting it.

That said, it's a draft, and it was pretty clear that SECDISPATCH wanted LAMPS 
to re-charter and consider it.  And I actually agree with that.  I think the 
issues with the draft that people have raised deserve discussion, and I hope 
Yoav understands that these serious concerns will need to be addressed before 
the document can be adopted.

But I support changing the LAMPS charter so that LAMPS can discuss the draft.

-Tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Spasm [mailto:spasm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell
> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 10:47 AM
> To: Ryan Sleevi <ryan-ietf@sleevi.com>; Phillip Hallam-Baker
> <phill@hallambaker.com>
> Cc: LAMPS <spasm@ietf.org>; Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>; Yoav Nir
> <ynir.ietf@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [lamps] Draft LAMPS Recharter
>
>
> I don't have a position on the draft in question but...
>
> On 03/05/18 15:41, Ryan Sleevi wrote:
> > The nature of this question is what plagued PKIX, and if we're trying
> > to ensure that LAMPS does not succumb to the overbroad, unadopted,
> > zombie effort that WGs can succumb to, then my $.02 we should make
> > sure that the goal and uses are as crisp as possible before adopting that 
> > work
> as a WG.
>
> ... that certainly resonates with me;-)
>
> I hope lamps does stick with the "only adopt if we think it's really quite 
> likely to
> be used" aspect of the charter.
>
> S.

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