Re: [spring] Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 27 February 2020 19:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [spring] Request to close the LC and move forward//RE: WGLC - draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming
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On Feb 27, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote: > Rather, the case where +1 can be useful is when the question is whether the working group even cares about the document. I have had several cases of calls for adoption or WG last call where there was almost no response on the mailing list. In the absence of decent indication, I as chair feel compleed to say "no, I do not see enough support to adopt / advance / ... this document". > In that situation, even +1s can help. (And yes, I do watch for the case of all the +1s coming from the same company as the author, and then start judging whether they are folks who participate, along the lines Warren outlined.) In my experience this is actually the wrong thing to do. If the work was chartered, and a bunch of people go off and do the work, and then by the time the work is done the working group has lost momentum other than those people, saying “Oh, I guess nobody cares, we won’t publish” is the wrong outcome.
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