[spring] When we have multiple proposals addressing the same problem [Re: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn]
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Subject: [spring] When we have multiple proposals addressing the same problem [Re: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn]
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Dear All, I've edited the subject though left the original line in place to indicate the relationship between threads of discussion. Several comments already have referenced *bestbar* drafts that, in my understanding of them, propose a different solution to the problem addressed in draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn. The situation when more than a single technical solution being offered is not unusual, probably that is what one can expect at IETF. And I think that "let's ensure that this is solid technical work while allowing the market to decide whether it is better than others" is very reasonable and removes non-technical considerations from a WG AP (or LC). If we use that paradigm, other solutions, for example, *bestbar* drafts, would be considered for adoption and, if adopted, progress on the Standards track. If that is what the WG decides to do, standardize sound technical solutions, no matter how many, then, by all means, I support it. What I feel uneasy about is if adopting one proposal would create a situation preventing standardization of other solutions. The WG faced a similar problem just recently and a design team has been formed with a clear task and deliverables. Perhaps another design team can be formed to work to analyze the problem and proposed solutions? I've attempted to capture what seems to be relevant to the problem: - related to the data plane https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ali-spring-network-slicing-building-blocks-03 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-teas-network-slicing-04 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bestbar-teas-ns-packet-01 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bestbar-spring-scalable-ns-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id-02 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-srv6-stateless-slice-id-02 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ali-spring-network-slicing-building-blocks-03> - related to the control plane extensions: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zch-lsr-isis-network-slicing-06 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo-01 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xie-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-mt-02 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-peng-lsr-flex-algo-l2bundles-05 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-lsr-sr-enhanced-vpn-04 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-idr-bgp-ls-transport-slice-02 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xie-idr-bgpls-sr-vtn-mt-02 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-idr-bgpls-sr-vtn-flexalgo-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-chen-idr-bgp-ls-transport-slice-srv6-01 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-idr-bgpls-sr-enhanced-vpn-02. <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zch-lsr-isis-network-slicing-06> Regards, <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zhu-lsr-isis-sr-vtn-flexalgo-01> Greg On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 2:20 PM Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks, Jim, > > > > I’ve been following the enhanced VPN work in TEAS and I see it as a key > piece of the network slicing work. > > > > It’s time that we had some protocol solutions that serve the VPN > framework, and this is a suitable starting point. I like that it is not > specifying additional protocol widgets but has looked at what we already > have and is pointing up ways to use those tools to deliver new function. > > > > I see Robert’s point about the resource reservation aspects of traffic > engineering applied to an SR network, but this is not an insurmountable > problem. The question might be asked, “Why would you want to do that?” but > that is a question that (as Yakov would have said) the market can decide. > It seems that there are a couple of vendors and a couple of operators who > have an interest. > > > > So I think we should adopt this draft and see whether we can turn it into > something that has great utility. > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > *From:* spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *James Guichard > *Sent:* 27 January 2021 11:47 > *To:* spring@ietf.org > *Cc:* spring-chairs@ietf.org > *Subject:* [spring] WG Adoption Call for > draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn > > > > Dear WG: > > > > This message starts a 2 week WG adoption call for > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dong-spring-sr-for-enhanced-vpn/ > ending February 10th 2021. > > > > After review of the document please indicate support (or not) for WG > adoption to the mailing list and if you are willing to work on the > document, please state this explicitly. This gives the chairs an indication > of the energy level of people in the working group willing to work on this > document. Please also provide comments/reasons for your support (or lack > thereof) as this is a stronger way to indicate your (non) support as this > is not a vote. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Jim, Bruno & Joel > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > spring mailing list > spring@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/spring >
- [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spring-s… James Guichard
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… duzongpeng@foxmail.com
- [spring] 回复: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… zhuyq8
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Huzhibo
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Mach Chen
- [spring] 答复: WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… qinfengwei
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… xiechf@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… 刘鹏
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Ran Pang(联通集团中国联通研究院- 本部)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Lou Berger
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Takuya Miyasaka
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Tarek Saad
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Tarek Saad
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Lizhenbin
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Giuseppe Fioccola
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Tarek Saad
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… stefano previdi
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Tarek Saad
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Colby Barth
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… chenhuan6@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Zhuangzhuang Qin(联通北京市北京市分 公司)
- [spring] When we have multiple proposals addressi… Greg Mirsky
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Huaimo Chen
- Re: [spring] When we have multiple proposals addr… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Loa Andersson
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Francois Clad (fclad)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Vishnu Pavan Beeram
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Ahmed MostafaSaleh ElSawaf
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… peng.shaofu
- Re: [spring] When we have multiple proposals addr… peng.shaofu
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… peng.shaofu
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Adrian Farrel
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Tianran Zhou
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Tarek Saad
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Shunsuke Homma
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… chen.ran
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Yingzhen Qu
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Luc-Fabrice Ndifor Ngwa [ MTN Cameroon ]
- Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for draft-dong-spri… Luis M. Contreras