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Re: [tcpm] another review of draft-ietf-tcpm-tcpsecure[-10]

"Anantha Ramaiah (ananth)" <ananth@cisco.com> Tue, 30 September 2008 17:46 UTC

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Wes, 

> 
> 
> My personal opinion on the number of angels on the head of this
> pin is that 3168 redefines bits that were formerly reserved.  Thus
> it "updates" the description of those bits in 793 (they're no longer
> reserved).  *Regardless* of the fact that 3168 is itself optional,
> those bits are no longer available in the way 793 describes.  *That*
> is why it has to "update" even though it's optional itself.
> 
> The tcpsecure document does not "update" in that sense, as it only
> contains optional alternative state machine arcs; the arcs defined
> in 793 are still able to be used in the way 793 describes ... they
> aren't "updated", but there's now an alternative to them.

Are you saying that we should construe that "alternate processing" doesn't update the RFC?. Now, the update itself can be optional. In other words, my point is that the current meaning and usage of "updates" is to be used for any updates to the RFC, irrespective of the fact it is minor, major or optional. Agreed that, currently there is fine granularity in describing an update i.e, "minor update, medium update or conditinal update " etc., until such a granularity is available, we should use the existing documented mechanisms. This is the reason I think it would be expedient to seek the advice of IESG in this matter.

Thanks,
-Anantha

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