Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA registry rules for cipher suites
Adam Langley <agl@imperialviolet.org> Tue, 05 April 2016 14:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA registry rules for cipher suites
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On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> wrote: > How hard can it be to implement TLS-PSK? I did it in a few hours in my crypto > library. This is getting off topic (which is my fault) but, for us, it wouldn't be "just" implementing PSK. We would need to evangelise it sufficiently with enough vendors to make sure that it would be used and that we were building the right thing. (The solution might well not be just using PSK). Then we need to implement it and get the UI right, try and get other browsers to implement it, write specs, write test suites, write sample code for all the vendors, deal with the resulting bugs in implementations and many smaller things besides. That's not to say that we wouldn't be willing to put the effort in, but the demand hasn't been evinced yet. Cheers AGL -- Adam Langley agl@imperialviolet.org https://www.imperialviolet.org
- [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA registr… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dmitry Belyavsky
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Henrick Hellström
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Henrick Hellström
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Rick van Rein
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Rick van Rein
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Rick van Rein
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Phil Lello
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Kaduk, Ben
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Phil Lello
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Adam Langley
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Adam Langley
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Aaron Zauner
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Dang, Quynh (Fed)
- Re: [TLS] call for consensus: changes to IANA reg… Sean Turner