Re: [Trans] Draft agenda
Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> Mon, 24 February 2014 21:43 UTC
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On 02/24/2014 04:25 PM, Melinda Shore wrote: > As for relevance, right now therightkey is the best place > for discussion of other approaches to fixing PKI, while trans > is specifically for discussion of certificate transparency. > The only thing that's in our charter at the moment is 6962bis. > That doesn't mean that other applications of CT are out-of- > scope, but that we'd need to recharter to take them on > as work items. I think you're saying you want the slot in London to focus on getting the mechanism right, and not trying to propose policy, which is completely reasonable. I'm happy to stay focused. There's nothing in RFC 6962 (and i hope there won't be in 6962bis) that is HTTPS-specific, though; it's defined as a mechanism for logging X.509 certificates for use in TLS, regardless of the application layer traffic within the TLS session. So i hope that the use of CT in SMTP+STARTTLS isn't seen as an "other application" -- it's still TLS. If we suspect that CT is somehow valid only for X.509 certs used by HTTPS servers, we should make that more explicit in the draft (but i hope we don't!) Regards, --dkg
- [Trans] Draft agenda Melinda Shore
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Eran Messeri
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Rob Stradling
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Melinda Shore
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Melinda Shore
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Eran Messeri
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Melinda Shore
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Rob Stradling
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Phillip Hallam-Baker
- [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Trevor Freeman
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Trevor Freeman
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Rob Stradling
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Rob Stradling
- [Trans] running code (was: Re: Draft agenda) Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Carl Wallace
- Re: [Trans] running code (was: Re: Draft agenda) Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] running code Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Trans] running code Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Rob Stradling
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Carl Wallace
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Tomas Gustavsson
- Re: [Trans] running code Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Trans] Draft agenda Rob Stradling
- Re: [Trans] running code (was: Re: Draft agenda) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] running code Ben Laurie
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [Trans] CT for opportunistic STARTTLS in SMTP Trevor Freeman