Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-security-groupkeying as WG item?
Lars Eggert <lars.eggert@nokia.com> Thu, 31 January 2008 15:15 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-security-groupkeying as WG item?
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On 2008-1-30, at 20:32, ext Francois Le Faucheur IMAP wrote: > It is not that you are saying that TSVWG should not influence MSEC, > but rather you are pointing out that as per IETF procedures, > publishing an Informational Track document (even as WG document) > does not have the official weight to influence MSEC (and therefore > should not be understood/expected to do so). > Is this right? Yes. An informational RFC that surveys the solution space does just that. If it comes with a TSVWG consensus behind it, it establishes that TSVWG is of the opinion that the characterization of the solution space in the RFC is correct (rather than just representing the authors' opinion, as an individual submission with the RFC Editor would.) MSEC or some other WG is free to refer to that RFC to help them decide which option in the solution space is most applicable to their particular use case, of course. But an Informational RFC can't recommend one solution as the TSVWG-preferred approach, especially if that approach isn't an Internet standard. Lars
- [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-secur… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- RE: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Kantawala, Anshul
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- RE: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… hannes.tschofenig
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Melinda Shore
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… RJ Atkinson
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… RJ Atkinson
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… RJ Atkinson
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… RJ Atkinson
- AW: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- AW: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: AW: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rs… RJ Atkinson
- Re: AW: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rs… RJ Atkinson
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: AW: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rs… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Magnus Westerlund
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Brian Weis
- RE: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Kantawala, Anshul
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Brian Weis
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… ken carlberg
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- AW: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Francois Le Faucheur IMAP
- Re: [Tsvwg] Adopting draft-behringer-tsvwg-rsvp-s… Magnus Westerlund