Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Mon, 05 December 2022 14:16 UTC

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Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2022 15:15:57 +0100
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic
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Hi,

On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 02:57:28PM +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> But it is not that straightforward.

It is :-)

> For that to work, one possibility would be a for the AP in router mode 
> to run a DHCPv6 Relay.  But as far as I know there are no WiFi access 
> points that run DHCPv6 Relay software.

If the "AP in router mode" wants to do routing, and IPv6, it needs
to understand prefixes left *and right*.  So for the "right side prefix",
it needs to speak DHCPv6-PD anyway, to get a prefix assigned from the
ISP router.

In IPv4 land, all these "things in router mode" will just do hierarchical
NAT44, but that's not how you do IPv6.

> Another possibility would be that the snac router is precofigured with 
> the address of the DHCPv6 server (ISP's inhome router), so it does not 
> need to discover it across IP hops, because multicast discovery across 
> IP hops does not work.

You cannot do DHCPv6-PD across a non-participating intermediate router,
because that router needs to add forwarding entries.  And no, "having
a routing protocol on the right side" is not *less* complicated than
just having DHCPv6-PD support.

Gert Doering
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have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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