Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic
Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Mon, 05 December 2022 13:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic
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Le 05/12/2022 à 14:45, Gert Doering a écrit : > Hi, > > On Mon, Dec 05, 2022 at 02:31:21PM +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote: >> I meant there is a WiFi Access Point in router mode between >> the snac router and the ISP's inhome router. It is because of that >> additional intermediary router that DHCPv6-PD allocations of /64s might >> not work. >> >> To facilitate my expression, allow me to draw a picture: >> >> /-----------\ ---- ------------ ----- >> Internet --- |ISP's inhome |--- | AP |-----| snac router|------|IPv6 | >> \ router / ---- ------------ |light6 >> ----------- |bulb | >> ----- > > If there is an AP in "router mode", that AP needs to do "router things", > which means "handle DHCPv6 PD from the snac router to the ISP's router". True. But it is not that straightforward. For that to work, one possibility would be a for the AP in router mode to run a DHCPv6 Relay. But as far as I know there are no WiFi access points that run DHCPv6 Relay software. Another possibility would be that the snac router is precofigured with the address of the DHCPv6 server (ISP's inhome router), so it does not need to discover it across IP hops, because multicast discovery across IP hops does not work. And, once the prefix is obtained for the snac router, there would be a need for the AP to dynamically maintain its rt table with respect to that prefix, i.e. run a routing protocol. There would be a need to simultaneously allocate prefixes and maintain routes for them, an operation often reserved to skilled human planners, I think. > No different from any other combination of routers on a string - each > of the intermediates need to receive DHCPv6 PD requests from "downstream" > routers and forward "upstream" (and on the way back, install routing table > entries, of course). Well, I agree that the situation is not different from other similar situations of routers in a string in other networks than home networks. However, cascaded deployments of DHCPv6-PD, like Server-Client/Server-Client... with a few Relays sprinkled here and there are far from common. When they work, they are hand tuned to work, because there is no dynamic autoconfiguration mechanism for such deployment. Alex > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster
- [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Timothy Winters
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Timothy Winters
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Chongfeng Xie
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Esko Dijk
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Vasilenko Eduard
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Timothy Winters
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Timothy Winters
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Esko Dijk
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic otroan
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Timothy Winters
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ole Troan
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Olorunloba Olopade
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Ted Lemon
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Esko Dijk
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Alexandre Petrescu
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Gert Doering
- Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic Alexandre Petrescu