Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic

Alexandre Petrescu <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> Wed, 30 November 2022 17:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084 - alternate logic
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Le 30/11/2022 à 16:16, Olorunloba Olopade a écrit :
> Hello,
> 
> Wile RFC7084 doesn’t cover the DHCP requirements, there are other spec 
> (e.g. cablelabs) that does. And we have implementation of this.
> 
> I agree that we should support DHCP on the CE, but don’t support 
> limiting the sub-delegation to /64, which would make some of the current 
> implementations non-compliant. I will suggest something like the 
> following, which is an amendment of the cablelabs spec
> 
> • If the Topology mode is set to “favor config”, then divide the 
> delegated prefix into sizes specified by the CE config.
> 
> • If the provisioned MSO assigned IA_PD is smaller than a /56 (e.g., a 
> /60) and the Topology mode is set to "favor depth", the CE MUST divide 
> the delegated prefix on two (2)-bit boundaries into four (4) 
> sub[1]prefixes by default.

Yes, that would be the creation of /62 prefixes for sub-delegation, out 
of a /60 received prefix.

> 
> • If the provisioned MSO assigned IA_PD is smaller than a /56 (e.g., a 
> /60) and the Topology mode is set to "favor width", the CE MUST divide 
> the delegated prefix on three (3)-bit boundaries into eight (8) 
> sub[1]prefixes by default.

... /63 prefixes out of a /60.

> • If the provisioned MSO assigned IA_PD is a /56 or larger and the 
> Topology mode is set to "favor depth", the CE MUST divide the delegated 
> prefix on three (3)-bit boundaries into eight (8) sub-prefixes by default.

... /59 prefixes out of a /56.

> 
> • If the provisioned MSO assigned IA_PD is a /56 or larger and the 
> Topology mode is set to "favor width", the CE MUST divide the delegated 
> prefix on four (4)-bit boundaries into sixteen (16) sub-prefixes by default.

... /60 prefixes out of a /56.

For all these cases, I suggest to specify the value of the bits between 
the position of prefix and the position of IID.  For example, if the 
sub-delegated prefix is /60, then specify the values of the bits 61..64 
to be set to 0 for SLAAC.  Do not let it unspecified.

> • If the provisioned MSO assigned IA_PD is too small to divide in the 
> manner described, the CE MUST divide the delegated prefix into as many 
> /64 sub-prefixes as possible and log an error message indicating the fault.

Sounds reasonable.

But, in such corner cases, such as a prefix /65, rather than indicating 
a complete fault, I would like to suggest a potential use of a VSLAAC 
method ('variable' SLAAC).  A few unix variants support it in a more or 
less mature manner.  And yes, I know many oppose it, but that is my 
suggestion.

Alex

> 
> *From:*v6ops <v6ops-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *Timothy Winters
> *Sent:* 18 November 2022 14:47
> *To:* IPv6 Operations <v6ops@ietf.org>
> *Subject:* [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've started a draft to update RFC 7084 to support prefix delegation on 
> the LAN interfaces.  The current state of IPv6 in home networks is ISP 
> are assigning prefixes of appropriate sizes but they currently are under 
> utilized due to the lack of prefix delegation on LAN interfaces.
> 
> This draft is an attempt to add that support to the draft.
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winters-v6ops-cpe-lan-pd/ 
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winters-v6ops-cpe-lan-pd/>
> 
> This is only an update to 7084 at the moment, there has been some 
> discussion on the snac working group about leveraging this work as well.
> 
> One item being discussed is this currently doesn't solve multi-homed 
> networks.
> 
> I welcome any feedback about the proposal.
> 
> ~Tim
> 
> 
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