Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084

When the stub router is connecting to the “infrustrcutre”,
There is no way to predict how many PA-prefixes from different Carriers it would receive.
Especially in the future, when we assume MHMP would work.
Eduard
From: v6ops [mailto:v6ops-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of David Farmer
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To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084

I think you are both correct.

I would consider mobile backup to be multi-homing if it occurs automatically; for example, if my home router had a 5G radio in addition to a fiber connection, or I had two home routers, one fed by fiber and the other fed with a 5G Radio. However, I would not consider manually tethering my laptop to my phone operating as a hotspot to be multi-homing. Just like I would not consider using my neighbor's WIFi as multihoming either.

Thanks

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 9:02 AM Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com<mailto:mellon@fugue.com>> wrote:
Isn’t mobile backup a form of multi-homing?

Op wo 30 nov. 2022 om 09:36 schreef Chongfeng Xie <xiechf@chinatelecom.cn<mailto:xiechf@chinatelecom.cn>>
Regarding to multi-homing, home users have no needs for multi-homing, which provides access by two wireline uplinks of different operators.  Independent 4G/5G mobile broadband has gradually become the backup of home broadband, some users even prefer to use use mobile link to access the Internet at home.

Chongfeng
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From: Brian E Carpenter<mailto:brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Date: 2022-11-19 04:02
To: Timothy Winters<mailto:tim@qacafe.com>; IPv6 Operations<mailto:v6ops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [v6ops] Updating RFC 7084
On 19-Nov-22 03:47, Timothy Winters wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I've started a draft to update RFC 7084 to support prefix delegation on the LAN interfaces.  The current state of IPv6 in home networks is ISP are assigning prefixes of appropriate sizes but they currently are under utilized due to the lack of prefix delegation on LAN interfaces.
>
> This draft is an attempt to add that support to the draft.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winters-v6ops-cpe-lan-pd/ <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-winters-v6ops-cpe-lan-pd/>
>
> This is only an update to 7084 at the moment, there has been some discussion on the snac working group about leveraging this work as well.
>
> One item being discussed is this currently doesn't solve multi-homed networks.

As a historical note, we've spent a lot of time in the past on multi-homing
and more or less failed (and the HOMENET approach was designed for home nets,
not for enterprises where the problem is probably more important).

I
To summarise what I've said over on SNAC:

1. If we're going to mention PvDs in the 7084 update, I think we should
also mention RFC 8028. It isn't that a CE router should necessarily
support 8028, but that in a network that does implement 8028 on its subnet
routers, the following part of 8028 applies:

2.2.  Expectations of Multihomed Networks

    Networking equipment needs to support source/destination routing for
    at least some of the routes in the Forwarding Information Base (FIB),
    such as default egress routes differentiated by source prefix.
    Installation of source/destination routes in the FIB might be
    accomplished using static routes, Software-Defined Networking (SDN)
    technologies, or dynamic routing protocols.

Those egress routes of course lead to CE routers.

(There is some other thinking about this topic in draft-vv-6man-nd-support-mhmp).

    Brian

>
> I welcome any feedback about the proposal.
>
> ~Tim
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