Re: [VCARDDAV] Questions about vCard 4.0 (draft rev-11)

Daisuke Miyakawa <d.miyakawa@gmail.com> Wed, 23 June 2010 02:03 UTC

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Hi,

Thanks for your quick response!

> 1. Leave the ABNF as is but state that the value is case insensitive.
> 2. Change the ABNF and state that the value is case sensitive.
>
> I think I would prefer 1.

I'll honor your decisions about this topic. Personally +1 to 1.

> 3) SORT-STRING
> > Some Japanese people said that we sometimes use organization (ORG) for
> > sorting, but we need some sort string for it.
> > However, the current draft says "SORT-STRING" is just for FN or N, not
> > for ORG.
> > Is there any discussion about that kind of topic?
>
> You just started the discussion! ;)
>
> I think this is valid and important. However, I would really like to see
> a real-life example to ensure we stay grounded. Could you please write
> one? I suppose it will be hard to translate to English, but please try...
>

I'm asking my friends knowing better about Japanese Contacts apps for the
examples (he actually talked about this topic!).
Stay tuned..


Personally, I suppose it might be better to accept multiple SORT-STRING
(0,n) and ask vCard composers to explicitly add PREF when they want to add
preference information to them.

e.g.

BEGIN:VCARD
VERSION:4.0
name.N;宮川;大輔;;;
name.FN:宮川 大輔
org.ORG:日本の組織                # "Japanese organization"
birthday.BDAY:19820616
name.SORT-STRING;PREF=90:みやかわ;だいすけ;;;
org.SORT-STRING;PREF=80;にほんのそしき
birthday.SORT-STRING;PREF=70:1982;06;16
END:VCARD

The examples above is not real; what I'm actually developing cannot utilize
those SORT-STRINGs, but theoretically developers may be able to utilize them
without any confusion.
Even when they cannot recognize multiple SORT-STRINGs, they can pick up one
with the highest PREF value.
Some applications should be able to sort contact list using each SORT-STRING
without any X- something.

Thanks,

-- 
Daisuke Miyakawa (宮川大輔)
d.miyakawa@gmail.com