Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents behind a paywall

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 13 June 2019 13:09 UTC

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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents behind a paywall
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On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:45:26PM -0400, Suresh Krishnan wrote:
> Yes. This would be great, and we have managed to get free access to most (but not all) of the IEEE specs when needed. Also, we have different kind of relationships with different IEEE groups. e.g. we have had a very close relationship with IEEE 802 over the years and the published standards are mostly available for free. For the document mentioned above, we did make arrangements to make the document available for anyone who wanted to review. I started a second IETF Last call with the following message appended
> 
> "If you would like to review this document and
> would like a copy of the [IEEE1588] reference specification, please send a
> note to the Responsible AD <tictoc-ads@ietf.org> and the tictoc working
> group chairs <tictoc-chairs@ietf.org> and we will provide you a copy of 
> the document."

Maybe the easiest way would be to find someone friendly at IEEE to sponsor a
corporate account at IEEE or the like to enable this.

Cheers
    Toerless