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Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents behind a paywall

Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 13 June 2019 01:25 UTC

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 03:25:37 +0200
From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
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Subject: Re: Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents behind a paywall
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On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 09:17:28PM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote:
> And, btw, I don't consider a non-paywall with some https://tosdr.org/
> click through.  I want a URL for the document. When I click on it, I get the
> document.  When I put a #foobar on the URL, I can reference a section of it,
> and when I copy and paste from it into an email, I'm not violating their
> copyright.

Maybe use a new, more specific term than just "open".
Free-to-distribute for example, like RFCs.

Cheers
    Toerless

> --
> Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
>  -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-

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