Re: [EXTERNAL] [BOFChairs] Proposed IESG statement on referencing documents behind a paywall

Hi Suresh 

First,  This is a very rational way to deal with the issue. 

However, and I do hate to raise this, but some SDOs are now not only paywall restricting but restricting due to geo-political issues, do we need to also flag and warn about cited references that are blocked from regional or even organizational access?

For a practical example. CTA has blocked access to Huawei due to the BIS directive. 

In such a case the citation may not be avoidable, but it would seem appropriate to mark the reference as restricted from open world wide access. 

-glenn 

> On Jun 12, 2019, at 6:00 PM, Suresh Krishnan <suresh.krishnan@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi chairs,
>  In the past we have dealt with a few drafts that have had normative references to paywalled documents and we have dealt with them on a case-by-case basis (usually during or after IETF last call). In order to get the working groups involved earlier in the process, the IESG is working on issuing a statement on how to deal with such drafts and we would greatly appreciate input from WG chairs on this topic. This is the proposed text of the statement
> 
> *** START TEXT ***
> 
> As described in Section 7.1 of RFC 2026, RFCs may have normative 
> references on external standards.
> 
> In some cases, however, those references are themselves not generally
> available (for instance, they might be accessible only after paying
> a fee). This can interfere both with the ability of implementers
> to implement the protocol as well as with the ability of the IETF
> community to review it.
> 
> In such cases:
> 
> 1. The WG MUST be explicitly informed of any such normative reference
> and the WG MUST reach consensus that it is acceptable. The 
> document shepherd MUST include this information in the shepherd 
> writeup.
> 
> 2. The reference MUST be explicitly noted as part of the IETF Last
> Call. If such a note is omitted, the last call MUST be repeated
> after including it.
> 
> *** END TEXT ***
> 
> Please go over this text and let me know if you have any concerns, comments, or additions by 2019/06/26. 
> 
> Thanks
> Suresh
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