Re: Follow up on disruptive person during IETF 119
Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx> Fri, 22 March 2024 01:10 UTC
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Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 21:10:29 -0400
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Subject: Re: Follow up on disruptive person during IETF 119
To: Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>
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Hi Jay, Thanks for taking action on this. I'm surprised that this is such a complicated thing to implement, especially the part where a WG chair has to contact the secretariat. That adds a bunch of slowness during an IETF meeting, and is clearly not workable for interim meetings. Normal web conferencing platforms (Webex, Zoom, MS Teams, etc.) have tools for a meeting host to manage disruptive "Zoom bombing" participants. Does MeetEcho not have such tools? --RLB On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 9:04 PM Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org> wrote: > IESG / WG Chairs > > The background here is that we had one individual disrupt a number of > sessions, including the plenary, and we were required to first temporarily > ban them and then permanently ban them. > > The meetings team (LLC, Secretariat, NOC, Meetecho, Tools) have discussed > this and we propose the following way forward to manage similar instances > in the future. > > 1. Maintain a trust-based approach with an exception process, rather than > introduce new controls to lock/unlock a whole session. We think approach > both maintains the permissive culture of the IETF and avoids extra > complexity for WG Chairs. > > 2. Add a new feature in Datatracker that allows the Secretariat to remove > a participant from a session and more permanently. The technical details > here are that this feature will revoke their registration permissions and > call a Meetecho API to remove them. > > 3. For single session removal this new process can be invoked by a WG > chair (of the session) or an AD, contacting the Secretariat. Permanent > removal can only be authorised by me or Roman, normally after rapid > consultation with the IESG. > > Does this work for everyone? > > Jay > > -- > Jay Daley > IETF Executive Director > exec-director@ietf.org > >
- Follow up on disruptive person during IETF 119 Jay Daley
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