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Re: [Team] Re: Follow up on disruptive person during IETF 119

Alessandro Amirante <alex@meetecho.com> Fri, 22 March 2024 01:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Team] Re: Follow up on disruptive person during IETF 119
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To: Richard Barnes <rlb@ipv.sx>, Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org>
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Il 22/03/24 02:10, Richard Barnes ha scritto:
> Hi Jay,
> 
> Thanks for taking action on this.  I'm surprised that this is such a 
> complicated thing to implement, especially the part where a WG chair has 
> to contact the secretariat.  That adds a bunch of slowness during an 
> IETF meeting, and is clearly not workable for interim meetings.
> 
> Normal web conferencing platforms (Webex, Zoom, MS Teams, etc.) have 
> tools for a meeting host to manage disruptive "Zoom bombing" 
> participants.  Does MeetEcho not have such tools?

Yes, obviously Meetecho does have such tools as well.

AA

> --RLB
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 9:04 PM Jay Daley <exec-director@ietf.org 
> <mailto:exec-director@ietf.org>> wrote:
> 
>     IESG / WG Chairs
> 
>     The background here is that we had one individual disrupt a number
>     of sessions, including the plenary, and we were required to first
>     temporarily ban them and then permanently ban them.
> 
>     The meetings team (LLC, Secretariat, NOC, Meetecho, Tools) have
>     discussed this and we propose the following way forward to manage
>     similar instances in the future.
> 
>     1.  Maintain a trust-based approach with an exception process,
>     rather than introduce new controls to lock/unlock a whole session. 
>     We think approach both maintains the permissive culture of the IETF
>     and avoids extra complexity for WG Chairs.
> 
>     2.  Add a new feature in Datatracker that allows the Secretariat to
>     remove a participant from a session and more permanently.  The
>     technical details here are that this feature will revoke their
>     registration permissions and call a Meetecho API to remove them.
> 
>     3.  For single session removal this new process can be invoked by a
>     WG chair (of the session) or an AD, contacting the Secretariat. 
>     Permanent removal can only be authorised by me or Roman, normally
>     after rapid consultation with the IESG.
> 
>     Does this work for everyone?
> 
>     Jay
> 
>     -- 
>     Jay Daley
>     IETF Executive Director
>     exec-director@ietf.org <mailto:exec-director@ietf.org>
> 

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