Re: Please comment on your use of trac

Mark Nottingham <> Wed, 03 February 2021 22:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: Please comment on your use of trac
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 09:40:16 +1100
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A little while ago I migrated issues from Trac to Github to keep a historical record; see:

Naturally, all the issues are closed; to see them:

The process wasn't *easy*, but not incredibly painful; probably took a half a day with some amount of manual cleanup after a few tries at running the scripts. This is what I used:


> On 4 Feb 2021, at 4:14 am, Tommy Pauly <> wrote:
> IPPM and HTTPbis use GitHub for both issues and documentation, no use of trac.
>> On Feb 3, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Robert Sparks <> wrote:
>> We currently have instances of trac configured for each working group. Only some are being used.
>> If your group is using trac, are you using anything essentially trac-specific that you find important?
>> Would you be ok migrating (with help) to a different wiki system and a different issue tracking system?
>> The trac project itself is lagging with Python development - stable still only runs on Python 2.7 and while there appears to be work towards Python 3, it is not yet functional, and is not progressing quickly. We are working around it by encapsulating it in docker instances running 2.7.
>> I've had several people suggest we should stop supporting it, and I'd like to know if that would be a particular hardship for any group.
>> RjS

Mark Nottingham