Re: [107attendees] Where the action is, at virtual meetings ...

[Robert Moskowitz <[e-mail]>]

On 3/27/20 1:14 PM, Puneet Sood wrote:
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> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 1:00 PM Ted Lemon <[e-mail] 
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
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>     On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF
>     <[e-mail]
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>>     There are a lot of conversations there, that aren't making it
>>     into the mike line, so roughly half the people in WebEx aren't
>>     seeing them, and in the cases I'm familiar with, the jabber
>>     conversation has been at least as well-informed and serious as
>>     the voice conversation. And the voice conversation doesn't always
>>     end up in the same place as the jabber conversation. 
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>     This is natural.  The way the IETF does mic lines is useful for
>     making progress on technical issues, but kind of sucks for
>     controversial issues.  We could almost certainly come up with a
>     more effective consensus-building process than a linear mic line.
>     Jabber has better quality because it’s free-form, so people don’t
>     just get one shot at expressing themselves.  Communication is an
>     iterative process—often when I speak at the mic and then hear the
>     next people, I realize that I didn’t express myself well and want
>     to clarify, but it’s too late. This isn’t a problem when there
>     aren’t very many people in the discussion, but it breaks down
>     quickly when there are.
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>>     Are other people noticing the same thing?
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>     Yes.  However.
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>     Jabber is not point and click.  It took me until halfway through
>     the second meeting I attended before I figured out what I was
>     doing wrong and got it working. Yes, there is a lot of good
>     conversation in the jabber room, although it goes by pretty fast.
>       If we want jabber to be more democratic, we need to make it
>     point and click.  Which probably means we need something other
>     than jabber, or else need to spend a lot of money building better
>     tools.
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> +100 to that. As a 2-year newbie to IETF I have found it hard to get 
> into the Jabber rooms for the meetings. I have only read the logs of 
> the Jabber discussions after the meetings so have not been able to 
> participate live.
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> Another usability issue with Jabber for newcomers: Most members use 
> less descriptive names on Jabber so it takes a while to map a person I 
> know in the physical world (from their WG list comments/document 
> names/hallways discussions) to their Jabber handle. Not sure of the 
> solution but something that more directly maps the handle to the 
> person's name.

I had to notice, and then be consistant, to set my 'conversation' handle 
to my name instead of my account with my jabber server (hot-chilli.net).

So this is app and app user dependent.

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