RE: [68ATTENDEES] Travel Fairness Doctrine

Actually, it might be time to consider a South American Venue...

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Eric Gray
Principal Engineer
Ericsson  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andy Bierman [mailto:ietf@andybierman.com] 
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 12:55 PM
> To: Nicolas Williams
> Cc: 68attendees@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [68ATTENDEES] Travel Fairness Doctrine
> 
> Nicolas Williams wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 07:50:08AM +0200, Fred Baker wrote:
> >>                                                         
> That's not  
> >> the objective. The objective is, as you say, fairness 
> among those who  
> >> already do.
> > 
> > The objective should be to maximize IETF participation from 
> people who
> > want to participate while being "fair."
> 
> Sorry I brought this thread up again.
> I didn't intend to rehash the notion of fair.
> IMO, micro-parsing it out into little costs and weighing them
> is counter-productive.  Just getting a better mix of
> non-North American venues would be fine, without micro-managing
> how that should be done.
> 
> 
> Andy
> 
> > 
> > Current demographics shouldn't be weighed too heavily as 
> IETF meetings
> > might help stimulate broader participation from locals.
> > 
> > Holding an IETF meeting in an expensive city does not help, 
> even if that
> > city is near to many participants, unless there are no inexpensive
> > cities near them.  Thus Prague is a much better location in 
> continental
> > Europe than Paris, for example (my food expenses in Prague pale by
> > comparison to Paris).  Of course, transportation options 
> should be part
> > of the equation as well, so Paris may still be a better 
> location than
> > Prague (though airfare in Europe is quite reasonable nowadays).
> > 
> > And as you point out hotel options matter.  Many of us work 
> late hours
> > during IETF meetings, so being able to stay at the conference hotel
> > matters (which means venue size and expense matters), and 
> if that cannot
> > be then late hour transportation and safety matters too.  (I did not
> > stay at the conference venue hotel at Prague, but I was not far and
> > could take the metro or walk and did not mind; others may not have
> > enjoyed that as much as I did.)  I'm not sure where I'd 
> rank Prague on
> > that basis as I enjoyed late night walks there, but that's quite
> > subjective; Minneapolis is certainly OK.
> > 
> > Nico
> 
> 
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