Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust Policy for the IETF

<david.black@emc.com> Wed, 18 January 2012 17:47 UTC

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> I have over a decade of experience with INCITS standards activities, including
> serving as the equivalent of a WG chair.  In my abuse, this sort of abuse of
> the anti-trust policy hasn't been a problem, but your mileage may vary across
> standards organizations.

Serious Freudian slip there ... that should be "In my experience, this sort of abuse ..."

Thanks,
--David


> -----Original Message-----
> From: antitrust-policy-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:antitrust-policy-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> david.black@emc.com
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 12:21 PM
> To: johnl@taugh.com; antitrust-policy@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust Policy for the IETF
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> > Sounds like an impressive DoS vector for people who don't like the direction
> > a group is going, doesn't it?
> 
> I have over a decade of experience with INCITS standards activities, including
> serving as the equivalent of a WG chair.  In my abuse, this sort of abuse of
> the anti-trust policy hasn't been a problem, but your mileage may vary across
> standards organizations.
> 
> OTOH, that DoS vector probably exists in the absence of any enforcement mechanism,
> as I strongly suspect that the individual mentioned by Brian is not the only
> person who's been instructed by counsel to leave the room if topics with anti-trust
> implications are discussed and the discussion cannot be stopped.
> 
> Thanks,
> --David
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: antitrust-policy-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:antitrust-policy-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John
> > Levine
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 11:34 AM
> > To: antitrust-policy@ietf.org
> > Cc: Black, David
> > Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust Policy for the IETF
> >
> > >Of course, meeting termination is a last resort, but if all else fails ...
> >
> > Sounds like an impressive DoS vector for people who don't like the direction
> > a group is going, doesn't it?
> >
> > I'd still like to get back to what problem we're trying to solve, since it's
> > hard to evaluate solutions without that.
> >
> > R's,
> > John
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