Re: [antitrust-policy] An antitrust memo strawman
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 22 January 2012 05:16 UTC
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Subject: Re: [antitrust-policy] An antitrust memo strawman
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>It seems to me that the information will be most effective if if is cast >in light of IETF activities. So, how would the strawman be different in >providing the desired information (other than removing the RFC 2119 >language). A perfectly reasonable question. I took your strawman and massaged it a little, and added a short summary of what antitrust law is about, so it's not just a laundry list. R's, John ----- snip ---- Existing IETF process and procedures were specifically designed to avoid problems with antitrust and competition laws. The IETF has an open decision process, explicit rules for intellectual property, and a well-defined appeals process. All of these contribute to the robust standards development process used by the IETF. Yet, it is worth reminding all IETF participants that all IETF meetings, including virtual meetings, shall be conducted in compliance with all applicable laws, including antitrust and competition laws. This memo describes some aspects of antitrust and competition law that may apply to IETF participants. IETF meeting participants come from all over the world, and include people whose employers are competitors. Antitrust and competition laws forbid some kinds of agreements between competitors, such as price fixing (agreements on product pricing), bid rigging (coordination of nominally competitive bids), refusal to deal, tying (requring that products be bought together), and geographic market allocation. Activities that may be or or appear to be anti-competitive practices include those where participants: - discuss product prices, product profits, internal product cost, bidding, terms of bidding, allocation of customers, division of sales markets, sales territories, or marketing strategies; - condition or discuss conditioning the implementation of an IETF specification on the implementer's use of products or services from a particular supplier or suppliers; - discuss agreements to collectively refuse or conditionally refuse to do business with a particular supplier; - suggest any action for the purpose of giving one company or a few companies significant competitive advantage over others; - present or exchange proprietary information related to any of the topics above; or - share non-public status or substance of ongoing or threatened litigation. Under existing IPR rules, all IETF meeting participants MUST disclose patents or patent applications reasonably and personally known to them. Please review the IETF IPR rules in RFC 3979. Activities unlikely to be or appear to be anti-competitive practices include those where participants: - discuss technical considerations of any proposals, including relative costs to implement, operate, and support them; - discuss licensing costs of essential patent claims associated with different technical approaches; - discuss the likelihood that adoption of a particular technical approach would subject implementers to a greater or lesser risk of patent litigation; - discuss or present broad market potential or market requirements for informational purposes. The IETF does not provide legal advice, and this memo is not intended to be a substitute for legal advice, or for a participant's employer's competition or anti-trust policies or practices.
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … david.black
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Russ Housley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Jorge Contreras
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … John R Levine
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Stephen Farrell
- Re: [antitrust-policy] Who enforces an Antitrust … Russ Housley
- Re: [antitrust-policy] An antitrust memo strawman John Levine