Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter proposal
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 01 April 2013 22:24 UTC
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Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter proposal
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On 04/01/2013 11:16 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > We've already had this very conversation, so we're aware of the issue. The > text we have was an attempt to re-create the same constraints DKIM had, > preferring no changes, but not completely proscribing it either. It sounds > like we have a little more text massaging to do to make it clear that's > where were trying to go. Right. If the outcome is charter text like we had with DKIM that'd be fine. FWIW, the initial charter for DKIM said: "Experimentation has resulted in Internet deployment of these specifications. Although not encouraged, non-backwards-compatible changes to these specifications will be acceptable if the DKIM working group determines that the changes are required to meet the group's technical objectives." I don't know if that's something that'd work for dmarc but I think it does hit the right note, and I think with DKIM that worked fine. (But I'm biased of course;-) S > > Thanks, > -MSK > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Stephen Farrell > <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>wrote: > >> >> FWIW, I'm concerned about this charter text: >> >> "The strong preference is for the working group to preserve existing >> software and procedures. For changes likely to affect the installed >> base, the working group will seek review and advice, beyond working >> group participants, to include other developers and operators of >> DMARC-based mechanisms. " >> >> I don't know how the not-yet-formed WG can have a preference nor >> how a formed-wg can seek advice "beyond the working group" with >> our processes. >> >> Both of those would seem like charter-show-stoppers to me (and >> fairly reek of rubber-stamping to put it pejoratively). >> >> We had to, and did, address similar issues with DKIM/DomainKeys >> so I hope that a similar approach will also work here - its >> fine for proponents of a technology to prefer no change but >> its not fine to constrain an IETF WG to rule out changes, but >> I reckon its actually not that hard to write down something >> that works, as we eventually did in the DKIM case. >> >> (I've not read the draft yet so this is just a comment on the >> charter text, not on the meat of the proposal. I do think this >> point deserves to be raised on apps-discuss given that its not >> really dmarc-specific.) >> >> Cheers, >> S. >> >> On 04/01/2013 06:25 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >>> At the IETF meeting in Atlanta, Tim Draegen presented a proposal for >> DMARC, >>> which is an email authentication and reporting layer atop SPF and DKIM. >>> The externally-developed proposal is now in widespread deployment by a >>> number of large-scale providers. The group that developed it is seeking >> to >>> bring it to the IETF for further development and broad review, and >>> development of operational guidance. >>> >>> A first draft of a charter can be found linked from >>> http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/wg/appsawg/trac/wiki. >>> >>> There is a dmarc@ietf.org list available for discussing the technical >>> contents of the work and also this draft charter. Please follow up there >>> with any charter contents so we don't innundate this list with that >>> discussion. To subscribe to that list: >>> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmarc >>> >>> -MSK >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> apps-discuss mailing list >>> apps-discuss@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss >>> >> >
- [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter propos… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Murray S. Kucherawy
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Scott Kitterman
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… SM
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Barry Leiba
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Dave Crocker
- Re: [apps-discuss] DMARC working group charter pr… Stephen Farrell