Re: [Cats] CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework

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Thread-Topic: [Cats] CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2024 14:02:34 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Cats] CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework
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Hi Dirk, 

Good point. 

Feeding a C-PS with metrics alone may not be optimal for some service placement. So, the C-PS may need some "guidance" when computing paths as a function of the service. The intent of "objective functions" was to capture that.

Will think about how to make this clearer.

Thanks.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Envoyé : lundi 26 février 2024 16:35
> À : adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'cats' <cats@ietf.org>
> Cc : draft-ldbc-cats-framework@ietf.org; cats-chairs@ietf.org
> Objet : RE: [Cats] CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework
> 
> All,
> 
> As a contributor to initial versions of this document and its
> iterations later on, I support WG adoption of this draft.
> 
> Building on previously made comments (specifically by Joel and Hang),
> I would like to also turn the attention to the objective function (or
> specific algorithm for processing). While the definition of specific
> algorithms is deemed out of scope for this document (and as Joel
> points out, for current solution proposals overall), I still wonder
> how the sentence "However, it is expected that a service request or
> local policy may feed the C-PS computation logic with Objective
> Functions that provide some information about the path
> characteristics" may look in real life? Is this an out-of-scope config
> issue (it 'somehow' makes it into the C-PS?)? Or could we see the
> definition of the objective function part of the metric distribution
> itself (if I distribute metrics, wouldn't I want to somehow link those
> to the usage within an objective function?). Given that this is a
> framework document, some words on this may be useful to add - note
> here that allowing to explicitly link metrics to objective functions
> (as part of the framework) is somehow the opposite of mandating
> specific algorithms being used (which I would not support, either, to
> avoid narrowing the solution space to a small set of such functions).
> 
> Anyhow, beyond this comment, I see this document capturing the
> evolving discussion and consensus in the wider WG quite well and would
> like it to progress more!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dirk
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cats <cats-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel
> Sent: 23 February 2024 17:44
> To: 'cats' <cats@ietf.org>
> Cc: draft-ldbc-cats-framework@ietf.org; cats-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: [Cats] CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework
> 
> Hi CATS,
> 
> We have had IPR disclosure responses from all authors and
> contributors.
> All but one have indicated "no IPR", with the remaining one stating
> that there is IPR, but the company is doing a detailed analysis before
> filing a disclosure.
> 
> The working group has a milestone for "Adopt the CATS Framework and
> Architecture document"
> 
> So, we are going to start a two week adoption poll for the draft. This
> will end on 9th March at 9am GMT.
> 
> Please state your opinions on whether or not this document should be
> adopted. Authors and Contributors are also welcome to state their
> opinions.
> Recall that the document does not have to be perfect at this point: we
> are looking for a starting point that can be taken up by the WG and
> edited until it is complete and ready.
> 
> A simple yes or no is helpful, but doesn't carry much weight.
> 
> So, if "yes":
> - have you reviewed the document?
> - do you have any comments or editorial suggestions?
> - do you think this is the right document to meet the milestone?
> - why do you think this is a good document?
> 
> And, if "no":
> - what are your concerns?
> - what is your proposal to meet the milestone?
> 
> If the current IPR situation is a significant concern to you, you are
> welcome to state that.
> 
> Thanks,
> Adrian (for the chairs)
> 
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