Re: [Cats] CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework

Hi Julien,

This is not a working group last call and it is not a Standards Track
document.

The points being that once adopted the working group will be able to make
*any* changes for which there is consensus, and that it is somewhat unlikely
that an Informational RFC will contain material that has to be implemented.

I think that the chairs should read your comment as saying that you do not
support adoption at this stage. That's fine if it is what you mean.

We would welcome hearing from others who also would like to not adopt at
this stage (for any reason). So far we have only heard supportive voices
(albeit with plenty of review comments).

Cheers,
Adrian

-----Original Message-----
From: Cats <cats-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Julien Maisonneuve (Nokia)
Sent: 08 March 2024 15:22
To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'cats' <cats@ietf.org>
Cc: draft-ldbc-cats-framework@ietf.org; cats-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Cats] CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework

Hello,

We're just a few hours away from the deadline of this WG adoption poll, and
there is still no IPR disclosure in the IETF database even though at least
one company has stated IPR claims that we know nothing about.
Is there a set date when this IPR declaration is expected to be available to
WG members ? 
How much time will we get to analyze the impact of this declaration when/if
it materializes ?
Are we expected to make a decision without any knowledge of the IPR ?
Considering these uncertainties, I would respectfully suggest to postpone
the WG adoption deadline until the WG has a little more clarity on the
nature and scope of the IPR claims.
Thanks for your attention.

Best regards,
Julien Maisonneuve, Nokia Corporate Standards.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
Enviado el: viernes, 23 de febrero de 2024 17:44
Para: 'cats' <cats@ietf.org>
CC: draft-ldbc-cats-framework@ietf.org; cats-chairs@ietf.org
Asunto: CATS WG Adoption poll for draft-ldbc-cats-framework

Hi CATS,

We have had IPR disclosure responses from all authors and contributors.
All but one have indicated "no IPR", with the remaining one stating that
there is IPR, but the company is doing a detailed analysis before filing a
disclosure.

The working group has a milestone for "Adopt the CATS Framework and
Architecture document"

So, we are going to start a two week adoption poll for the draft. This will
end on 9th March at 9am GMT.

Please state your opinions on whether or not this document should be
adopted. Authors and Contributors are also welcome to state their opinions.
Recall that the document does not have to be perfect at this point: we are
looking for a starting point that can be taken up by the WG and edited until
it is complete and ready.

A simple yes or no is helpful, but doesn't carry much weight.

So, if "yes":
- have you reviewed the document?
- do you have any comments or editorial suggestions?
- do you think this is the right document to meet the milestone?
- why do you think this is a good document?

And, if "no":
- what are your concerns?
- what is your proposal to meet the milestone?

If the current IPR situation is a significant concern to you, you are
welcome to state that.

Thanks,
Adrian (for the chairs)
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