Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big
Bhumip Khasnabish <vumip1@gmail.com> Fri, 09 April 2010 11:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big
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Thanks Ning. We are seeing wide-spread need to find effective and implementable answers to these questions in Clouds environment. We'll certainly add this as one work item. On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 12:08 PM, So, Ning <ning.so@verizonbusiness.com>wrote: > Carrier/operators indeed do have a unique angle to the Cloud-based > Services, including but not limited to storage, data mining/search, > computing, and so on. How does this new type of services interwork with the > existing MPLS-based network technologies? For example, how does these > service interwork with today’s L2 and L3 VPN based-services? How is the > virtual separation of the traffic/data/queries maintained end-to-end for the > security conscious customers? > > > > Ning So > > Lead Engineer > > Global Data Network Traffic Planning > > 972-729-7905 > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Linda Dunbar > *Sent:* Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:22 AM > *To:* 'Gene Golovinsky'; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; 'Mark Webb'; clouds@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big > > > > I am looking at a very different angle of the “Cloud”. Rather than the “IT > functions as a service”, I am looking at Virtual Network Services and > Storage Services which can be offered by Service Providers. > > Are there anyone else interested in this area? Maybe we should form a > separate discussion group. > > > > Linda Dunbar > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Gene Golovinsky [mailto:gene@alertlogic.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:37 AM > *To:* Linda Dunbar; carlw@mcsr-labs.org; 'Mark Webb'; clouds@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big > > > > While I agree that SaaS, IaaS and PaaS are different categories they all > basically do the same thing – letting people consume IT functions as > service. > > As a result the same multiple problem spaces apply: users need to be > authenticated, their access need to be controlled, activities audited, data > protected, functionality provisioned and the list goes on. > > > > Cloud Security Alliance mentioned earlier does not necessarily deal with > those issues. I read their guidelines and it mostly deals with deployment > recommendations, but the area of auditing for example is not really covered. > > > > > Ability to audit is really important if we want to insure that people that > care about compliance actually use cloud technologies. Yet neither ability, > nor technology for that is there. While traditional logging (syslog) is not > good enough for the cloud simply because we are dealing with shared and > dynamically allocated resources and user info is not consistently available. > > > > > --Gene > > > > > > > > *From:* clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Linda Dunbar > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:16 PM > *To:* carlw@mcsr-labs.org; 'Mark Webb'; clouds@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big > > > > I find it difficult that people in the same room talking about totally > different subjects. Very hard to get the discussion moving forward. > > > > Linda > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Carl Williams [mailto:carlw@mcsr-labs.org] > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:59 AM > *To:* 'Linda Dunbar'; 'Mark Webb'; clouds@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big > > > > The name is irrelevant and perhaps in future it could change to avoid > distraction. The technology discussions is what is key and that is what was > discussed in the informal meeting. From what I can tell the purpose was to > get some informal discussion going first and see what people are thinking. > There seems to be some conclusion that the next step was to conduct a gap > analysis. > > > Carl > > > > > > *From:* clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Linda Dunbar > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:48 AM > *To:* 'Mark Webb'; clouds@ietf.org > *Subject:* [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big > > > > I attended the CLOUD’s bar BOF. I don’t think it is appropriate for IETF to > have a working group on “CLOUD” because it means different things to > different people. Cloud computing is a general term for anything that > involves delivering services over the Internet. I can see three basic > categories: > > p Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS<http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,290660,sid201_gci1358983,00.html> > ), > > p Platform-as-a-Service (PaaS)<http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid201_gci1332892,00.html>and > > p Software-as-a-Service (SaaS<http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,290660,sid201_gci1170781,00.html> > ) > > > > There are a lot of stuff under each of the categories above. I suggest > separating them and further studying if there are enough contents for one of > them to become a working group. > > > > Linda Dunbar > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mark Webb > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 07, 2010 10:09 AM > *To:* clouds@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [clouds] Use cases > > > > I was not there at the BoF, but did get reports from a couple of people in > attendance. > > > > An important perspective is to ensure IETF does NOT start a new effort that > overlaps with other SDO and Forum already underway. The industry does not > need more SDO declaring they are relevant to cloud computing IMO. > > > > Seeking contributions on relevant & IETF appropriate gap analysis is the > _most_ that should be pursued at this point in time. > > > > Mark Webb > > > > > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Gene Golovinsky wrote: > > > > Well, I think this is a topic worthy of IETF time and attention. > How can I help to move the discussion forward? > > Was there any specific area out of the white paper discussed? > I think Cloud interoperability and security are topics were IETF is > traditionally focusing its efforts. > > --Gene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: clouds-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:clouds-bounces@ietf.org<clouds-bounces@ietf.org>] > On Behalf Of Peter Saint-Andre > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 9:48 AM > To: clouds@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [clouds] Use cases > > On 4/7/10 8:40 AM, Gene Golovinsky wrote: > > > 2. I saw references to bar BoF at last IETF meeting, but could not > > really figure out if the WG was chartered. > > It was a bar BoF, not a real BoF. And IMHO the discussion was so nebulous > that folks are a long way from forming a WG. > > Peter > > -- > Peter Saint-Andre > https://stpeter.im/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > clouds mailing list > clouds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds > > > > _______________________________________________ > clouds mailing list > clouds@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clouds > > -- Best Regards. Bhumip Khasnabish (Mobile:+001-781-752-8003, bhumip@acm.org) © 2010 Bhumip Khasnabish. Do not view, print, forward, and save the content of this email if you are not the intended recipient of the communiqué.
- [clouds] Use cases Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Mark Webb
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Gene Golovinsky
- [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Linda Dunbar
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Mark Webb
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Carl Williams
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Linda Dunbar
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Melinda Shore
- [clouds] 答复: Re: Use cases meng.yu
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Masum Hasan (masum)
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] Use cases Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Mark Webb
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Sam Johnston
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Sam Johnston
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Linda Dunbar
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big So, Ning
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Linda Dunbar
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Masum Hasan (masum)
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Masum Hasan (masum)
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Mark Carlson
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Melinda Shore
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Mark Carlson
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Gene Golovinsky
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Mark Webb
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Stephen Fleece
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Linda Dunbar
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Sam Johnston
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Mark Carlson
- [clouds] (no subject) zhangyunfei
- [clouds] (no subject) zhangyunfei
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Monique Morrow (mmorrow)
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Ning Zong
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Sun Shaoling
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Bhumip Khasnabish
- Re: [clouds] Scope of the Cloud is too big Romascanu, Dan (Dan)