Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Categories
"Hannes Tschofenig" <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net> Sun, 12 July 2009 19:04 UTC
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Subject: Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Categories
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Hi David, Is this really so difficult? Here is what I would do: Setup a registry that associates labels with a description of what the label means. Someone maintains the registry (in the IETF we use IANA). Someone adds a new term - fine. Deleting unused or revised terms is fine as well. So, is there an initial list flying around somewhere already? Ciao Hannes PS: What is the <category> element in the CAP document used for today? >-----Original Message----- >From: cap-list-bounces@lists.incident.com >[mailto:cap-list-bounces@lists.incident.com] On Behalf Of >David Aylward (Comcare) >Sent: 12 July, 2009 19:55 >To: cap-list@incident.com; earlywarning@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CAP] Definition of Warning Categories > >Hannes: > >As Art says, CAP's incident list is very general. To further >Art's point, when it came to the development of what became >the OASIS EDXL Distribution Element (DE), we faced the same >issue as a primary purpose of the DE is routing messages by >incident type. The CAP categories were far too broad for that. > >So the draft requirements and specification for the DE >developed by the cross emergency domain practitioner working >group developed a detailed list of incident types for >submission to the OASIS EMTC as part of its request for the >development of that standard. > >The EMTC wisely rejected our suggestion, thinking that (1) the >work to create a shared incident type taxomony should be done >for the US and other countries, but hadn't been done yet, and >(2) such lists of incident types would likely change more >frequently than the standard. > >So they adopted a flexible solution of "Managed Lists" for >this and similar >list issues (e.g. roles). Under this approach values such as incident >names appear in the standard, along with the name of the >managed list you are using. If there is only one Managed List >for that topic in the world, great, but if there are several >you can still communicate because you know which list is being used. > >The absence of both initial managed lists and a repository for >their locations is an identified gap that hopefully will be >addressed soon. A number of us developed a project to do >Managed Lists for incident names and roles, but other >priorities have gotten in the way. > > > > >David K. Aylward, President >COMCARE Emergency Response Technology Group >1351 Independence Court, SE >Washington, DC 20003 >202.255.3215 (mobile) >202.295.0136 (office) >202.521.4047 (fax) >daylward@comcare.org > >This communication is intended for the use of the recipient to >which it is addressed, and may contain confidential, personal >and/or privileged information. Please contact us immediately >if you are not the intended recipient of this communication, >and do not copy, distribute, or take action relying on it. Any >communication received in error, or subsequent reply, should >be deleted or destroyed. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: cap-list-bounces@lists.incident.com >[mailto:cap-list-bounces@lists.incident.com] On Behalf Of Art Botterell >Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 11:52 AM >To: cap-list@incident.com; earlywarning@ietf.org >Subject: Re: [CAP] Definition of Warning Categories > >On Jul 12, 2009, at 7/12/09 3:58 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >> I was wondering whether there is somewhere a more verbose / more >> complete description of the semantic of the individual values. > >No, and that's deliberate. Considering the high levels of >uncertainty that so often surround emergent events, the CAP >designers (first in the CAP Working Group and later within >OASIS) struggled to balance completeness against specificity. >There was also a concern that we could get bogged down in >trying to perfect the taxonomies and wind up with no standard at all. > >So the definitions were deliberately left somewhat open-ended >and contextual... some would go so far as to say "vague" and >I, for one, wouldn't argue. > >- Art > > > >_______________________________________________ >This list is for public discussion of the Common Alerting >Protocol. This list is NOT part of the formal record of the >OASIS Emergency Management TC. >Comments for the OASIS record should be posted using the form >at >http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/comments/form.php?wg_abbre >v=emergency >CAP-list mailing list >CAP-list@lists.incident.com >http://lists.incident.com/mailman/listinfo/cap-list > >This list is not for announcements, advertising or advocacy of >any particular program or product other than the CAP itself. > > > >_______________________________________________ >This list is for public discussion of the Common Alerting >Protocol. This list is NOT part of the formal record of the >OASIS Emergency Management TC. Comments for the OASIS record >should be posted using the form at >http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/comments/form.php?wg_abbre >v=emergency >CAP-list mailing list >CAP-list@lists.incident.com >http://lists.incident.com/mailman/listinfo/cap-list > >This list is not for announcements, advertising or advocacy of >any particular program or product other than the CAP itself. >
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Tony Rutkowski
- [earlywarning] Definition of Warning Categories Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Art Botterell
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Art Botterell
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… David Aylward (Comcare)
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Art Botterell
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… David Aylward (Comcare)
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… David Aylward (Comcare)
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… David Aylward (Comcare)
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Art Botterell
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Art Botterell
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Timothy Grapes
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Rex Buddenberg
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Rex Buddenberg
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] [CAP] Definition of Warning Ca… Timothy Grapes