Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives
"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Tue, 30 May 2023 22:11 UTC
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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>
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> We disagree. I assume that there is a singular attacker who is able to somehow learn the list of volunteers before the deadline and can act within that time frame to add or remove volunteers So I suppose, in the last term, Akamai (my employer) could ask me for the list and force "things" to happen. Is that what you mean? After the list is publicized, could any large employer pressure various volunteers in their employee to step down? If so, is that a single attacker controlling multiple agents?
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Robert Sparks
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Lars Eggert
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Joel Halpern
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Paul Hoffman
- [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Martin Thomson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] NomCom selection Fwd: N… Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Martin Thomson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Martin Thomson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Rob Sayre
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Martin Thomson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Rob Sayre
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Christian Huitema
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Rob Sayre
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Michael StJohns
- [Eligibility-discuss] list address (was: Re: On 3… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] list address (was: Re: … Rob Sayre
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Michael StJohns
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Martin Thomson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Salz, Rich
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Michael Richardson
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Donald Eastlake
- Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives Martin Thomson