Re: [Eligibility-discuss] On 3797 alternatives

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 01 June 2023 18:00 UTC

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Salz, Rich <rsalz=40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
    > That is an important question. Precedent says to “just pick the next
    > one on the list” without re-seeding. It is what has been done
    > previously, most recently as this past NomCom. RFC 8713 implies you
    > reseed, and I cannot see how to do that without taking approximately
    > two weeks to do the whole process (announce, confirm, select,
    > challenge).

It's not the random sources that are the problem, I think.
We could say that we will take the XYZ Lotto on June 12th, and then if we
need further randomness, take the XYZ Lotto from June 19th, or June 26th, right?

The two weeks are because we have to give people a chance to review.
That's a people process, not a technical one, right?

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