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Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 07 November 2021 02:32 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Gendispatch] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-halpern-gendispatch-antitrust-01.txt
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It appears that Brian E Carpenter  <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> said:
>"Participation is by individual technical contributors, rather than formal representatives of organizations."
>
>I do not understand why the legal advice given in 1992, 102 years after the USA's Sherman Act, needs revisiting.

If I work for big company A and you work for big company B and we agree at an IETF meeting to do something naughty,
no court will care what it said on our badges.  That was true in 1992 and it's true now.

>     There should be no agreement among participants to implement or to
>     adhere to IETF standards, or any discussions as to when participants
>     will begin to offer products conforming to IETF standards.

I think this is one of those sentences where the words mean somehing different to lawyers
than they do to engineers.  We have been doing interop tests and informally asking
"does anyone plan to implement this" to tell whether it's worth working out the details since
forever.

It would be helpful to get examples of agreements that would pose a problem, e.g., are
they secret?  Intended to exclude others through patent shenanigans?  Coordinating
the timing of product releases?  Something else?

R's,
John

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