Re: [hrpc] new title for draft-tenoever-hrpc-political

Hello,

Thank you all for the updates and feedback shared.

Also my vote goes to "Notes on networking standards and politics".

Onwards, towards the adoption of this draft! :)

Best,
Beatrice

On 20 July 2018 at 14:00, Amelia Andersdotter <amelia@article19.org> wrote:

> On 2018-07-20 10:33, Corinne Cath wrote:
> > I like a.) Notes on networking standards and politics part of this
> > whole process imho is to get people to read the doc to begin with,
> > which seems most likely with a clear and recognizable title. my 2
> > cents, corinne
> >
> yeah, a)
>
> +1
>
>
> > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:19 AM, Mark Perkins
> > <marknoumea=40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org
> > <mailto:marknoumea=40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf..org>> wrote:
> >
> >     'Notes on networking standards and politics'
> >
> >     get my vote!
> >
> >     Mark Perkins
> >
> >     On Friday, July 20, 2018, 10:10:27 AM GMT+11, Niels ten Oever
> >     <mail@nielstenoever.net <mailto:mail@nielstenoever.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     Off-list discussion with Stephen resulted in a new option:
> >
> >     'Notes on networking standards and politics'
> >
> >     That gives us a few options:
> >
> >     a) Notes on networking standards and politics
> >     b) On Value Neutrality and the Politics of Standards
> >     c) Notes on Value Neutrality and the Politics of Standards
> >     d) ?
> >
> >     Curious to hear what the RG thinks sounds best, new suggestions
> >     ofc also
> >     welcome.
> >
> >     Best,
> >
> >     Niels
> >
> >     On 07/20/2018 12:43 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On 07/20/2018 12:38 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >> Hiya,
> >     >>
> >     >> On 19/07/18 23:33, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> >     >>> Hi all,
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Thank you all very much for the spirited discussion at the
> >     session. To
> >     >>> resolve the issue with draft political and remove the last
> >     issue mention
> >     >>> blocking adoption I would like to propose to rename the draft:
> >     >>>
> >     >>> On Value Neutrality and the Politics of Standards
> >     >>
> >     >> Meh:-)
> >     >>
> >     >> How'd something more like "Some background on networking standards
> >     >> and politics" work? That seems to describe the content of the
> draft
> >     >> better to me, (modulo not having carefully read the latest rev,
> >     as I
> >     >> admitted at the mic, so don't take me too seriously.)
> >     >>
> >     >> My reason for suggesting that is to try end up with something that
> >     >> would be less surprising for an IETF (or IEEE 802 or W3C...)
> >     reader.
> >     >>
> >     >
> >     > Exactly that audience is saying time and again that 'technology is
> >     > neutral' / 'protocols are neutral' / 'standards are neutral'.
> >     That is I
> >     > would like to address that in the title (and the draft).
> >     >
> >     > Following work can then address how we could come up with
> >     approaches to
> >     > address that.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >> Cheers,
> >     >> S.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Would that work for you all? I also added a few mentions of value
> >     >>> neutrality (and the lack thereof) for consistency in the
> abstract,
> >     >>> introduction, conclusion and the way forward.
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Changes can be seen here:
> >     >>>
> >     https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/commit/
> 03826cd73959e692bb1f7aa305f9fbdee325dbd2#diff-
> fb9d617868a367dd946ef225cc5e6de1
> >     <https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/commit/
> 03826cd73959e692bb1f7aa305f9fbdee325dbd2#diff-
> fb9d617868a367dd946ef225cc5e6de1>
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Happy to discuss.
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Best,
> >     >>>
> >     >>> Niels
> >     >>>
> >     >
> >
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