Re: [hrpc] new title for draft-tenoever-hrpc-political

Amelia Andersdotter <amelia@article19.org> Fri, 20 July 2018 18:01 UTC

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Subject: Re: [hrpc] new title for draft-tenoever-hrpc-political
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On 2018-07-20 10:33, Corinne Cath wrote:
> I like a.) Notes on networking standards and politics part of this
> whole process imho is to get people to read the doc to begin with,
> which seems most likely with a clear and recognizable title. my 2
> cents, corinne 
>
yeah, a)

+1


> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 1:19 AM, Mark Perkins
> <marknoumea=40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf.org
> <mailto:marknoumea=40yahoo.com@dmarc.ietf..org>> wrote:
>
>     'Notes on networking standards and politics'
>
>     get my vote!
>
>     Mark Perkins
>
>     On Friday, July 20, 2018, 10:10:27 AM GMT+11, Niels ten Oever
>     <mail@nielstenoever.net <mailto:mail@nielstenoever.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     Off-list discussion with Stephen resulted in a new option:
>
>     'Notes on networking standards and politics'
>
>     That gives us a few options:
>
>     a) Notes on networking standards and politics
>     b) On Value Neutrality and the Politics of Standards
>     c) Notes on Value Neutrality and the Politics of Standards
>     d) ?
>
>     Curious to hear what the RG thinks sounds best, new suggestions
>     ofc also
>     welcome.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Niels
>
>     On 07/20/2018 12:43 AM, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > On 07/20/2018 12:38 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Hiya,
>     >>
>     >> On 19/07/18 23:33, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>     >>> Hi all,
>     >>>
>     >>> Thank you all very much for the spirited discussion at the
>     session. To
>     >>> resolve the issue with draft political and remove the last
>     issue mention
>     >>> blocking adoption I would like to propose to rename the draft:
>     >>>
>     >>> On Value Neutrality and the Politics of Standards
>     >>
>     >> Meh:-)
>     >>
>     >> How'd something more like "Some background on networking standards
>     >> and politics" work? That seems to describe the content of the draft
>     >> better to me, (modulo not having carefully read the latest rev,
>     as I
>     >> admitted at the mic, so don't take me too seriously.)
>     >>
>     >> My reason for suggesting that is to try end up with something that
>     >> would be less surprising for an IETF (or IEEE 802 or W3C...)
>     reader.
>     >>
>     >
>     > Exactly that audience is saying time and again that 'technology is
>     > neutral' / 'protocols are neutral' / 'standards are neutral'.
>     That is I
>     > would like to address that in the title (and the draft).
>     >
>     > Following work can then address how we could come up with
>     approaches to
>     > address that.
>     >
>     >
>     >> Cheers,
>     >> S.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>>
>     >>> Would that work for you all? I also added a few mentions of value
>     >>> neutrality (and the lack thereof) for consistency in the abstract,
>     >>> introduction, conclusion and the way forward.
>     >>>
>     >>> Changes can be seen here:
>     >>>
>     https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/commit/03826cd73959e692bb1f7aa305f9fbdee325dbd2#diff-fb9d617868a367dd946ef225cc5e6de1
>     <https://github.com/nllz/IRTF-HRPC/commit/03826cd73959e692bb1f7aa305f9fbdee325dbd2#diff-fb9d617868a367dd946ef225cc5e6de1>
>     >>>
>     >>> Happy to discuss.
>     >>>
>     >>> Best,
>     >>>
>     >>> Niels
>     >>>
>     >
>
>     -- 
>     Niels ten Oever
>     Researcher and PhD Candidate
>     Datactive Research Group
>     University of Amsterdam
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