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Re: [hybi] Call for interest: multiplexing dedicated for WebSocket

Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com> Mon, 20 May 2013 04:02 UTC

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From: Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:01:46 +0900
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To: Simone Bordet <sbordet@intalio.com>
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Subject: Re: [hybi] Call for interest: multiplexing dedicated for WebSocket
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Thanks for comment, Simone.

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Simone Bordet <sbordet@intalio.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Takeshi Yoshino <tyoshino@google.com>
> wrote:
> > I got one comment about this.
> >
> > He/she suggested that we finish the WebSocket dedicated multiplexing
> quickly
> > even by simplifying the spec much e.g. cutting some functionality in it
> that
> > would take much time to get consensus, and when HTTP/2.0 is matured,
> switch
> > to that.
>
> My impression is that I have not seen much request for WebSocket
> multiplexing.
> Given the complexities related to defining and implementing ws mux
> correctly, and considering that HTTP/2.0 comes with mux built-in,
> building on the SPDY experience, my preference would be to
> deprioritize ws mux in favour of HTTP/2.0 integration.
> It is true that there may be systems that may rely on a pure-ws
> communication (and therefore do not need a full HTTP/2.0
> implementation) and as such would benefit from ws mux, but my guess is
> that those system will be a minority or can get by without ws mux. I
> may be biased on this view though, so comments welcome.
>

Yeah, more comments from those who are using / interested in pure-ws are
appreciated.

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