Re: [idn] stability

[Erik van der Poel <[e-mail]>]

JFC (Jefsey) Morfin wrote:
> The issue is easy to 
> understand you need two keyboards to enter the IDNs and two languages to 
> spell them on the phone - except when the ascii TLD can be typed.

Some countries have keyboards with both ASCII and local characters. 
Which countries are you talking about? In any case, we can't just jump 
from the current DNS to one that does not require typing some ASCII 
characters in one go. I think these things must evolve, over time.

> Registries understand nothing to the complex 
> signals (or lack of) from the ICANN, IETF, market, etc. I am on the 
> WG-IDN of the ccTLDs as a lingual organization (Eurolinc). I suppose 
> there is one year I received the last mail. 2 mails in one year++ on 
> ICANN IDN list. They even told me James Seng does not attend all the 
> ICANN IDN meetings (James?) anymore.

The ICANN guidelines for IDNs probably should be updated. People are 
talking about this. Hopefully it will happen quite soon.

> James sold us something brillant in MdR2000. But the IETF delivered 
> something else.

Are you talking about the following?

http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20011112.ICANN-mdr-IDN-JamesSeng.ppt

> PADs are obviously the core of the problem and a revolution. Handles 
> could also be used.
> In case you forgot about PAD I documented several times, it stands for 
> Private Alias Directory. This is the Directory of the ML keywords or DN 
> you can register in your own system to call an external host. This is a 
> Quick and Dirty excellent solution when an IP address is available. What 
> will be the case with IPv6 and that main sites can obviously already 
> support.

Maybe people will manually create a few private aliases, but I doubt 
they would bother to do so for the many, many sites on the Internet. 
People visit many sites, one after the other, in quick succession. Maybe 
I'm misunderstanding you...

> There are several revolutions right now. Just look at the network, the 
> behaviors and the people. A revolution does not mean an immediate tide. 
> It means that something we did one way can be done another way, that it 
> has started being used and that it will only grow. IDNA is not a 
> revolution.

I don't see very many signs of a PAD revolution. Am I in the wrong 
country (USA)? The wrong mailing list?

> Naming was left to 
> right first. ARPANET naming was flat and for practical reason became 
> right to left. It stayed that way. Your proposal works. Left to right 
> and / separators. I understand there are already 15 millions of them. 
> Named handles.

I don't see them. Do people exchange handles via email? Please show me a 
handle.

> A revolution is that less than 50% of the Internet connections still use 
> the DNS,

Are you saying that less than 50% of the TCP connections on the 
"Internet" (open Internet or also behind the firewall?) are immediately 
preceded by a DNS lookup? Where did you get this number from? Please 
state your source.

> that handles develop, that PADs permits private keywords and 
> ultimately billions of roots.

Are there any specs for these handles and PADs? Are there any working 
groups?

> Just a question: when was that the last time you supported a registrant 
> for his server to be accessed with the DN he just registered?
> This do help to understand what the people want and do.

Do your registrants use PADs? Are they happy with them?

Erik