Re: [Idr] Part 2 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/6 to 7/20) - Adoption of draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt and draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

["Ianik Semco (isemco)" <[e-mail]>]

Hi Susan,

I strongly support the adoption of the BGP-CAR proposal.

I agree with the many arguments brought forward by Robert R. on this thread along with the network operators’ views expressed by Luay J. here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/PKkqHGQYlrU2or3Af3ABbODq24I/ and by Daniel B. here: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/2tFGYFXsNtpPKSQdr8CCYFbt0tU/ .

Also, aligning a BGP-based color-aware transport solution to BGP-LU seems an obvious choice (this is BGP-CAR).
On the flip-side, bringing VPN awareness to each transport 'hop' can quickly become quite cumbersome (this is BGP-CT).

<personal comment>
I strongly believe the IETF should standardize on modern, scalable, and forward-looking solutions rather than stitched-together proposals that may be (granted) easy to demonstrate in a POC but are likely leading to operational complexity in highly scaled production networks.
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1.  Do you agree or disagree that these two drafts are functionally identical?
IS> Yes, I agree with this assessment. However (see my comments above)

2.  If you agree, should we have just one draft or do the operational difference encourage us to have two drafts?
IS> We should pursue a single draft, BGP-CAR.


From: Idr <[e-mail]> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 2:17 PM
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Subject: [Idr] Part 2 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/6 to 7/20) - Adoption of draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt and draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

This begins a 2-week WG Adoption call (7/6/2022 to 7/20/2022) for the following drafts:

  *   draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car/)

  *   draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes/)
The associated drafts may be useful in your consideration.
CAR:

  *   draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-22

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy/



  *   draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-18

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/ draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/



  *   draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-problem-statement-05.txt

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-problem-statement/
CT

  *   draft-hegde-spring-mpls-seamless-sr-06.txt

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hegde-spring-mpls-seamless-sr/



  *   draft-kaliraj-idr-multinexthop-attribute-02.txt

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaliraj-idr-multinexthop-attribute/)



  *   draft-kaliraj-bess-bgp-sig-private-mpls-labels-04

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaliraj-bess-bgp-sig-private-mpls-labels/)


You may discuss adoption of one or both the main drafts (CAR or Classful-Transport (CT)) in your response, and the associate drafts.
A few caveats on your discussion:

  1.  Please do not worry whether the drafts belong in BESS or IDR.

Both BESS and IDR work on creating relevant quality standards in BGP,

and the chairs will work this out.



  1.  The IDR has spent time over 2020-2022 discussing these drafts.

For background information, see the following links below.

You can refer to these previous presentations or email discussions in your responses.



  1.  Please constrain your discussion to whether these drafts should be adopted.

I’ve started another email thread on whether path establishment/distribution

for a color (aka QOS/SLA/Transport Class) should be done via a

specific BGP route (i.e., per-color NLRI) rather than as per-color attributes on a route.
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/FhoK04HsSy9tR7ioV7AD0Vv6Ir4/

Questions (to consider) for these drafts:
Jeff Haas (IDR Co-chair) posted a summary on March 21, 2022 that for
route resolution and route origination/propagation, BGP-CAR and BGP-CT are functionally identical,
but operationally different.
    ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/e69NRd9i2aG0WUxFkShEfQHZsHo/

  1.  Do you agree or disagree that these two drafts are functionally identical?
  2.  If you agree, should we have just one draft or do the operational difference encourage us to have two drafts?
  3.  If you disagree, do the functional differences encourage us to have one or two drafts adopted?