Re: [Idr] Part 2 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/6 to 7/20) - Adoption of draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt and draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

[Susan Hares <[e-mail]>]

Moshiko:
Thank you for letting me know that you desire one draft, and  why you consider BGP-CT better for your customers.
Would you like to give additional details on these examples?
If you feel uncomfortable sharing the details on the IDR List, you can also send me the examples directly.
I send a summary of input on each question (Q1 and Q2), on 7/12, 7/19, and 7/26.
 Cheerily, Susan Hares
From: Moshiko Nayman <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 2:44 PM
To: Susan Hares <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [Idr] Part 2 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/6 to 7/20) - Adoption of draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt and draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

Hi, Do you agree or disagree that these two drafts are functionally identical? [Moshiko] Both provides similar functionality, but BGP-CT is easier to implement, troubleshoot and educate because it use
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Hi,

  1.  Do you agree or disagree that these two drafts are functionally identical?
[Moshiko] Both provides similar functionality, but BGP-CT is easier to implement, troubleshoot and educate because it use an existing procedures.

  1.  If you agree, should we have just one draft or do the operational difference encourage us to have two drafts?
[Moshiko] I think we need one draft.


  1.  If you disagree, do the functional differences encourage us to have one or two drafts adopted?

Thanks.
From: Susan Hares <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Date: Friday, July 8, 2022 at 2:02 PM
To: Moshiko Nayman <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>, "[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: RE: [Idr] Part 2 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/6 to 7/20) - Adoption of draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt and draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

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Moshiko:
Thank you for your input on the CAR/CT adoption.
If you get time, can you post your views on questions 1-3 below?
Thank you, Sue

From: Moshiko Nayman <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2022 1:13 PM
To: Susan Hares <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>; [e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Idr] Part 2 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/6 to 7/20) - Adoption of draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt and draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt


Hi Sue,

I support adoption of BGP-CT solution.

As mentioned in Part 1, I could easily implement BGP-CT in brownfield lab and demonstrated it to my customers. I received positive feedback from different customers for different type of use case metro use cases and across continent infrastructure.
It solves both Intra and Inter AS use cases.

Thanks

From: Idr <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>> on behalf of Susan Hares <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 2:17 PM
To: "[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]<mailto:[e-mail]>>
Subject: [Idr] Part 2 of CAR/CT Adoption call (7/6 to 7/20) - Adoption of draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt and draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

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This begins a 2-week WG Adoption call (7/6/2022 to 7/20/2022) for the following drafts:

  *   draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-05.txt

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNj01zgjAYhP-KMD0WAuEjYC_WGfWgbbG1DnhhAgmiKYEmUYRO_3uh00OP7z6z--5-6RfxoU8neqlUI6cADCehBeWSmnldgasD0vSPEaywEjhnVJgnqgqzFkdA6hwQgQtlEMlyI6NSGtmxMXIsBueDpj0vlN894RfjyLTHNmkDtJ-X52vDl2UbrW-9b2UI7lgK51EsrRRv29Uh3gRBwvjy8PZub-jroovp6szX-90nE0m_q7s82nbbO_1-orOxPKdq6GJbXuCHNgSyxILKGSd9-TvC8cOCWChEpHADaGcwg0XoITdDHnSJ7wDb95AzuJFjBs6YSsfUiuOuwnx2vvBTM2wevoyMjOy_9v0DoWpouw.MEYCIQDW-NIjRDiR_kZG2HZcBmEacxxtoiorHWyFIiZ_PKfBZQIhALT0DueePYFMW0-e9VufVKsE-Iwv8fUMigV2Fhkbp3R3>)

  *   draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes-17.txt

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaliraj-idr-bgp-classful-transport-planes/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNkEtTwjAUhf8KdFyapg_atLgBRmABKiIywKaTNukrJa1JoBbH_27quHB575nz3XvOl3ERlTEeGLlSjRxDqEdCU8olNZP6DK8ujKI_jWCFlcAJo8IsqErNWmSQ1AkkAqcKMFwVApegIALEWQOSCkuZXiqgPVw2tVCgqTCnUhMfhsPnufK7J_wCMjactsc2QPtZXl4bvsjbzerz5lsxcnYscmabg7Qi_NouT4d1EBwZX5ze3u013c67A12WfLXffTBxvG0fuxKwaXZn3A8M1ofiVOkfbcsL_NB2oMyxoHLCyS3_Def6YUosFCKSjgLHjp3YSUMPjWLkOSPiu9D2PeRqN3LNwO2ptKeeOe7OmE_KCy8a3YW-0muk1_7vvn8A6llyJg.MEYCIQDQVwusf9wlr9dgch-JsfYb-046nuZY-lDvc1co3rvrIQIhALJcNrLTUZybYXfc342YR_juBfWr6zFF5PZ1xhGeGj1d>)
The associated drafts may be useful in your consideration.
CAR:

  *   draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-22

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNj0FzgjAQhf-KMD22BAIkwV6sU_WgrVqpA16YQIIIJVCIIHT63wudHnrc_d6-9_ZLvVYf6nSiJlKW9RSAYWQ85qLmWlTkoDFBEPwxRiWVFY0yXmkXLmOtqM6AFdGgeFSU14VE3QvdPpwz5an1W4KP8yRtSrFM2t361iM9xNDNAjjfebUe0H27OnkbQvxMLE-Hd2PD3xadx1epWB_dz6zye3f73PLmsL9T7ydqNpYUXA6Zhm4T5BgQ1AmteD0TrE9-y5rIiZmOHcxii0AjhCGMHRtbIbahxZAJDGRjc7jGpkbM0ZWPrrmgXU7FLL2KSzn8NqSMjI3s_-77B-GoX9k.MEYCIQDUitXdlIbHqWv5uj3FX4rpjfNOx_Vp2-3AylTQS6QIawIhAJqCx1hbtHEQxZc6p-OOvNJfz_9dIYfTo_ptCH0IvXsg> draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy/



  *   draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy-18

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNj0FzgjAQhf-KMD22BAIkwV6sU_WgrVqpA16YQIIIJVCIIHT63wudHnrc_d6-9_ZLvVYf6nSiJlKW9RSAYWQ85qLmWlTkoDFBEPwxRiWVFY0yXmkXLmOtqM6AFdGgeFSU14VE3QvdPpwz5an1W4KP8yRtSrFM2t361iM9xNDNAjjfebUe0H27OnkbQvxMLE-Hd2PD3xadx1epWB_dz6zye3f73PLmsL9T7ydqNpYUXA6Zhm4T5BgQ1AmteD0TrE9-y5rIiZmOHcxii0AjhCGMHRtbIbahxZAJDGRjc7jGpkbM0ZWPrrmgXU7FLL2KSzn8NqSMjI3s_-77B-GoX9k.MEYCIQDUitXdlIbHqWv5uj3FX4rpjfNOx_Vp2-3AylTQS6QIawIhAJqCx1hbtHEQxZc6p-OOvNJfz_9dIYfTo_ptCH0IvXsg> draft-ietf-idr-segment-routing-te-policy/



  *   draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-problem-statement-05.txt

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dskc-bess-bgp-car-problem-statement/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNkE9zgjAQxb-KMj02hD-SgL1YZ9SD2lprHfXCBLKIIoEmUdROv3tDp4ced9-83-57X9ZZnqx-x8q1rlUfYzNyyEAosNOqxBcfx_GfxplmWrK0AGkfQGd2JfeYVynmkmUacVWkKAGlULKvUcokqmWVnKBEyvigBKEN66nbfRlpcpuzV7Qvus_NtgnpepgfL7UY581ier0TJ6Heqoi94WKjnJi9NZPdZhaG20KMd-8f7gyWo9sGJkcxXa8-C7m9L6spmR-gebAeO1bRxhGgzXeuE4Qkcj2sciZBDQS_57-xfBJl3KER5Vkv9NzES7wsCmgvoYHX48THLgmob9zUt0O_pUJLLQW7lUwMjmdxqE0L5kqr8Vb7v_v-AZdob6U.MEUCIQCQkvuKx2uKYksvL0EdsDWbg_IiIbzVBlV-oByaxhD93QIgKuAE_fIUOcAaXe9oUfIlaY3ulONHRuhMROcM9a91cck>
CT

  *   draft-hegde-spring-mpls-seamless-sr-06.txt

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hegde-spring-mpls-seamless-sr/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNj01zgjAQhv-KMj0WAkEI2Isyox601taPUS9MIAsoEmkSRe30vzd0euhtd5_Zd_f5Mi7iZPQ7RqFULfsI6ZZBBlyClZ4rdHVRHP8xRhVVgqYlCOsAKrPOIkfsnCImaKbMAnIGpqzFgedmVZ-kKYFWJ5C6EDrlpdudj5R_f6VvZl52h82uCcgmKo7Xmo-LZjG9PXw7IXhVxjhabKUd0_dmst_OgmBX8vF-uXZm8DG6b2Fy5NPN6rMUu8dyDtFerIdPxnPHKFsRDkr_5dhe4IcORrKgAuSAs0fxK-T6YcZsEhKW9QLsJDjBWeiRXkI83GO-ixzfI67eJq4VuG0qtKkVp_eK8sHxwg-19tdXWsZa9n_2_QOmvW1V.MEQCIEJxvZUfVd5SmOdFsXrTNWOgwFT33izwBykJuQDpEc1xAiAIjoriiNkb3b3U3mYpVBKemR8XZWkC5tYanslvmIx2mQ>



  *   draft-kaliraj-idr-multinexthop-attribute-02.txt

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaliraj-idr-multinexthop-attribute/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNkE1zgjAQhv-KMD0WAkESsBd1Rj1oW1utI16YQMJXJNAQRO30vxc6PfS4-8w-u-9-6a0865ORnilVNxMA-pKyhImGmXFVgosDwvCPUaKIkiTmTJo5U4lZyRTQKgZUkkQZnJxzSQojp9Io27PKBbuqrKoNopTMo1axXvWkaS8LhW7P5NVIuTbrgs7Dh3lWXGqxzLrt-npHVoThnodwvj02VkjeutXpuPG8gIvlafdhb9j74nZkq0KsD_tPLoP7LmhRk8azB_1xpPMhjWCqP862XA_5NgRNRiRrpoLes99UDvITamEf02TsQTuCEUx8F48j7MIxRQ6wkYudfho7pucMVjZYS0FuJRHTohV53T-h3zIwOrD_ve8fuLJv5w.MEUCIQCFEaJmVvcUtT8RFfFQq9vdYLnE1nZTwL_Ps3RHncj0FgIgYE5ChK4_ZEoDA7OjI8mw83am8qkkpCJTzL0Yqa-nlO8>)



  *   draft-kaliraj-bess-bgp-sig-private-mpls-labels-04

(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kaliraj-bess-bgp-sig-private-mpls-labels/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNkE1TwjAQhv8KdDyapk1p0-IFmQEOoIIiQ7l0EpJ-pQ0liVRw_O-2jgePu8_ss_vul_WhKms8sHJjGj2GsCsZT7nU3D6eanjxYJL8MUYMMYocBVd2wU1qn1QG2ekImSKpAYJUhSIloFxrQLMG6CIDjSouxHBQN5UGFaG80p3wYTh8npng-kReQCaGj23chng3zctLI-d5u15-3gKHYrQVCZqu99pJyKZdHParMIyFnB_e3t0Vf51d93xRyuVuexYqvm3MeRGfD9mddT-wRJ9JctOd6Dp-GEQugjoniuuJZLf8N5sXRClzcIRZOgqRSxFFaeTjEcU-GrHAg27gY6-bxp4der2V99ZakmtN5KT8kEXTvaLb0jPWs_-97x8z_HGw.MEUCIAoOhyc0EhRq1wAZmdfzMkq6PObwUJwpRflgk0Gb97niAiEAvW3RZn4gLGP07UR9gYOUcFD4hwKY9ooCibWaPnLrOl8>)


You may discuss adoption of one or both the main drafts (CAR or Classful-Transport (CT)) in your response, and the associate drafts.
A few caveats on your discussion:

  1.  Please do not worry whether the drafts belong in BESS or IDR.

Both BESS and IDR work on creating relevant quality standards in BGP,

and the chairs will work this out.



  1.  The IDR has spent time over 2020-2022 discussing these drafts.

For background information, see the following links below.

You can refer to these previous presentations or email discussions in your responses.



  1.  Please constrain your discussion to whether these drafts should be adopted.

I’ve started another email thread on whether path establishment/distribution

for a color (aka QOS/SLA/Transport Class) should be done via a

specific BGP route (i.e., per-color NLRI) rather than as per-color attributes on a route.
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/FhoK04HsSy9tR7ioV7AD0Vv6Ir4/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNj81ygjAURl9FmC5bAgESsBt1qtbRtv6VUTdMMEEQCZggCJ2-e6HTRZf3O3PPvd-XehMXtd9To6LIZR-AdqQsZFwy7ZiloDSB7_-xlMQXIo5RXDItZkWoZeIEugCk8gRiKsAkyua69So3tVuscZx5ePiieyWaCavVPCvK-7hA9Rv5eDolyrDaVw72RtG5zPkkqpbze4P0AMNt4sPRcid1n6yq6WG3cJx9wieHzaexYOtxvWPTM59722si9s3q3szyy3X4oD721KRrwlnRPmbotoNcAwIZEcHkgNMm-m1kIjekOnYxDS0HGgEMYOja2AqwDS2KTGAgG5vtNjY1x-ysrLOmnNQp4YPzjcc5E1p7pWO0Y_-z7x91Tmwk.MEUCIFNim4h-Y7mB-KC7jXMqLCM2UPfXcUd6truGMlxAgVJ6AiEAwmYFgiOvTgUGNQgGUP41tL9pUPDDupuwCr5YtuPxklo>

Questions (to consider) for these drafts:
Jeff Haas (IDR Co-chair) posted a summary on March 21, 2022 that for
route resolution and route origination/propagation, BGP-CAR and BGP-CT are functionally identical,
but operationally different.
    ( https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/e69NRd9i2aG0WUxFkShEfQHZsHo/<https://shared.outlook.inky.com/link?domain=urldefense.com&t=h.eJxNj81ygjAURl9FmC5bAkESsBvrjOiMVsW_ChsmmGAQiTZBUTp990Kniy7vd-aee78v_SpPeq-j87K8qB4AzUhZyoRixv5cgJsN4viPFSQ7Ebnn2Y0ZGStT4ywPoA1AoQ4goxIw5M2W1MsgGZkfm7ufr_gwDcaRGp8bzaumzYYleryT-csh196qsHLxdsCPt4vwebWY3GtkJhiu8xgOFjtlxiSoRtFu6rphLvxotbGmbDl87NjoKCbb9WcuwzpwfF9FPHjSnzt63jYRrGwes0zHRZ4FgeJEMtUXtOa_jWzkpdTEHqZp14VWAhOYeg7uJtiBXYpsYCEH2802tg3Xbq2stRaCPAoi-seryC5MGs2VltGW_c--fwBqfGvq.MEUCIQDKNV9Q-WiOYKgaOZ6-9zdMxwG6P6K4Gkz0re12B8-biQIgIgkyQzymJ5zQ1MgMDhfCbtsOj0rz9lOogG5BUDl0f-A>

  1.  Do you agree or disagree that these two drafts are functionally identical?
  2.  If you agree, should we have just one draft or do the operational difference encourage us to have two drafts?
  3.  If you disagree, do the functional differences encourage us to have one or two drafts adopted?




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