Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer-09 (2/28/2023 to 3/14/2023)
Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Wed, 08 March 2023 18:58 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-idr-bgp-sendholdtimer-09 (2/28/2023 to 3/14/2023)
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> On Mar 8, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote: > > Jeffrey Haas wrote on 08/03/2023 18:35: >> Does that solve the entirety of this problem? No. And that no is >> why I'm not presenting the timeout as "this is THE SOLUTION to the >> problem". At best, it's a useful tool in helping out. > > for sure it's a workaround for implementation bugs, but zooming out, it helps in two separate ways: 1. resolving symptoms and 2. pointing the finger at the source of the breakage. Both these things are independently worthwhile. Agreed. Speaking as an individual contributor, I'd like to see the sendholdtimer work discuss its interactions with the tcp option for these reasons. (And noted it in my comments on the draft in a separate thread.) -- Jeff > > Nick
- [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-idr-bg… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Ben Cox
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Ben Maddison
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Marco Marzetti
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Martin Millnert
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Martin Millnert
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… tom petch
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-spaghetti-id… tom petch