Re: "Management team"

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

--On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 17:21 -0400 Warren Kumari
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>...
>> This suggests something else that may be relevant.  If there
>> is _any_ chance that we might want to use session attendance
>> information for IETF 107 for anything at all, including but
>> definitely not limited to Nomcom eligibility in the future
>> (not this year's NomCom), it would probably be wise to either
>> merge to information from the Etherpad with Jabber logins
>> and/or to explicit ask people who were unable (or sufficiently
>> inconvenienced by technology) to record their presence on the
>> Etherpad to identify themselves to the Secretariat in some
>> appropriate way (I hope not on this mailing list).
> 
> Having participate in many of the virtuals, it is very common
> for there to be many more names in the WebEx than in the
> Etherpad bluesheet -- I've often heard "We have 39 names in
> WebEx and 25 in Etherpad"; some of this is caused by
> 1: people joining WebEx from multiple devices,
> 2: people having difficulty accessing Etherpad and, sadly,
> 3: some of it is people not bothering...
> 
> I'm much more concerned about #2 than #3 (and #1 isn't an
> issue), but there is a delta...

Right.  But note that the boundary between #2 and #3 isn't
always clear.  Take the situation Ned described as an example.
The tool(s) he expected to use wouldn't let him get at Etherpad.
Now, Ned is a smart guy with a lot of sophistication about the
relevant technologies (certainly a lot more sophisticated about
those things than our stereotypical newcomer), so I'm confident
that, if he really, really, wanted to get on the IETF's Etherpad
setup (and had adequate warning that there was going to be a
problem, which is a not-separate issue) he could have done so.
He didn't.  Are you going to classify that as "not bothering" or
"difficulty accessing Etherpad?  See the problem?

Now, if you want to define "not bothering" as "not even trying
_and_ not having good reason to believe in advance that it
wouldn't work" then I agree that there is a dividing line
between your #2 and #3, but even then, you will probably need to
take people's words for why they were not on Etherpad, which
might make the distinction marginal if not useless.

best,
   john

> W
>> 
>> Jay, is that feasible?
>> 
>>     thanks,
>>    john
>>