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Re: Session attendance reconciliation (was "Management team")

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Wed, 22 April 2020 23:12 UTC

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Subject: Re: Session attendance reconciliation (was "Management team")
To: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>, Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org>
Cc: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com>, IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
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On 23-Apr-20 10:35, George Michaelson wrote:
> I thought some things were said about blue sheets which went to "we
> will never do that, its only for volume and not PII"
> 
> but memory may be wrong, and .. we're not about "obeying the laws of
> physics" here. But.. if we did say that, don't we need to "un-say" it?

I hope we never said it. The blue sheets are proof of presence for
the purposes of our IPR disclosure rules. A list of attendees
is required by BCP25.

As the Note Well says,

* As a participant in or attendee to any IETF activity you acknowledge that written, audio, video, and photographic records of meetings may be made public.
* Personal information that you provide to IETF will be handled in accordance with the IETF Privacy Statement.

   Brian

> 
> Blue Sheets are not purely informational by count now: You may be
> identified by adding your data to a blue sheet and it may be
> reconciled against other records in ways which are PII, and hence
> invoke GDPR and CCPA
> 
> -G
> 
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:30 AM Jay Daley <jay@ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 23/04/2020, at 9:09 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> wrote:
>>
>> This suggests something else that may be relevant.  If there is
>> _any_ chance that we might want to use session attendance
>> information for IETF 107 for anything at all, including but
>> definitely not limited to Nomcom eligibility in the future (not
>> this year's NomCom), it would probably be wise to either merge
>> to information from the Etherpad with Jabber logins and/or to
>> explicit ask people who were unable (or sufficiently
>> inconvenienced by technology) to record their presence on the
>> Etherpad to identify themselves to the Secretariat in some
>> appropriate way (I hope not on this mailing list).
>>
>> Jay, is that feasible?
>>
>>
>> For IETF 107 the secretariat reconciled the list of Webex participants with the bluesheets to create a single list on a per session basis.  Inferring a participant’s name from a jabber ID is too hard.
>>
>> Jay
>>
>>
>>    thanks,
>>   john
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jay Daley
>> IETF Executive Director
>> jay@ietf.org
>>
> 
>

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