Re: "Management team"

John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Wed, 22 April 2020 22:30 UTC

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--On Wednesday, April 22, 2020 16:16 -0500 Pete Resnick
<resnick@episteme.net> wrote:

>...
> Apropos of discussions going on on eligibility-discuss and
> manycouches, Meetecho actually has you log in with your
> meeting registration info, so you could simply pull the
> information from Meetecho and get actual registered users who
> participated. (h/t Andy Malis)

Agreed, plus or minus our oft-repeated discussion about whether
"showing up" equals "participating" and the equally-repeated
discussion of whether someone who comes into a root, signs the
blue sheet (with a real, verifiable, wet signature), and then
proceeds to spend the entire meeting reading email, playing
video games, or otherwise not paying attention counts as
"present".  

We are never going to get that perfect.  We just need to pick a
collection of surrogates for what we are trying to accomplish
and, in the process, decide whether to err on the side of
inclusion or exclusion.

And note that what Meetecho can do doesn't help with IETF 107
when it was not used and that, in turn, is one of the reasons
why Jay's recent explanation is helpful and important.

    john