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Re: Quality of Directorate reviews

Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 06 November 2019 15:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: Quality of Directorate reviews
From: Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>
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> On Nov 6, 2019, at 9:52 AM, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
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> On 11/6/19 6:03 AM, Ralph Droms wrote:
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>> We shouldn't be depending on last-minute quality checks to maintain the quality of our output.  Working groups should be producing documents that are ready to publish, and develop trust that their documents are high quality.
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> As long as working groups are as siloed as they are, this is unlikely any WG that affects interests that are outside of its narrow scope.   And it's very dangerous to assume that WGs are competent to produce high quality work in isolation at least with our current processes.   Though I'd certainly be in favor of some kind of explicit extra-WG review earlier in a WG's or document's lifespan.

We don't want to assume WGs are competent to produce high quality work, but we should certainly expect that they are.  WGs that regularly don't produce high quality work, perhaps, should not be supported in the IETF?
 
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> Keith
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