Re: The Next Generation

Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> Thu, 12 September 2019 18:52 UTC

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From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:52:43 -0400
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Subject: Re: The Next Generation
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 11:36 AM <shogunx@sleekfreak.ath.cx> wrote:

> Phillip,
>
> > So here is the curious thing, each one of the groups contacted so far has
> > had the same response: This is something we should do but we should make
> our
> > rivals aware of it as well because the end goal here is protecting the
> > democratic process, not just winning an election.
>
> IMHO, if the interest is in protecting the democratic process, the first
> place we should look is the digital voting infrastructure, as that is the
> vector most abused.  Knowing what I do about network and computer security
> in general, I have come to the conclusion that hand counted paper ballots
> with a strong chain of custody are the only way to ensure a free and fair
> election.
>

This did not come up in the country concerned since all their elections are
by paper ballots counted by hand. The confidentiality concerns are around
securing demographics, campaign plans, schedules, strategy, etc. There are
also authenticity concerns which are rather broader.