Re: Last Call: <draft-jdfalk-maawg-cfblbcp-02.txt> (Complaint Feedback Loop Operational Recommendations) to Informational RFC

SM <sm@resistor.net> Wed, 05 October 2011 18:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: Last Call: <draft-jdfalk-maawg-cfblbcp-02.txt> (Complaint Feedback Loop Operational Recommendations) to Informational RFC
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At 09:28 05-10-2011, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
>Another reason not to move it is that the boilerplate paragraph
>following it says that MAAWG is going to retain their copyright:
>
>    This document may not be modified, and derivative works of it may
>    not be created, and it may not be published except as an Internet-
>    Draft.

I missed that.  The Abstract mentions that:

   "While not originally written as an Internet Draft, it has been
    contributed to the IETF standards repository in order to make it
    easier to incorporate this material into IETF work."

The "no derivative" clause makes it impossible to incorporate the 
material in this draft in any IETF work.  The restriction is not 
called out correctly in draft-jdfalk-maawg-cfblbcp-02.  I commented 
previously [1] about this work when it was brought to the MARF WG and 
asked whether the draft could be resubmitted without any such 
restrictions as that is, if I am not mistaken, the usual practice for 
IETF working group work.

I would be grateful if the IESG would read my position as "against" 
in its determination of consensus.

Regards,
-sm

1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/marf/current/msg01091.html