RE: Disappointing take-up of Gather.Town
Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Thu, 30 July 2020 17:24 UTC
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Subject: RE: Disappointing take-up of Gather.Town
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:24:03 +0100
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Meeting with newcomers… At a physical meeting it’s easy: spot the Newcomer ribbon; walk up; say hello. In Gather.Town it is only complicated by: * You’re not in Gather.Town * They’re not in Gather.Town * You don’t know they’re a Newcomer 😊 Adrian From: ietf <ietf-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Victor Kuarsingh Sent: 30 July 2020 18:06 To: John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com> Cc: IETF <ietf@ietf.org> Subject: Re: Disappointing take-up of Gather.Town John, On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:41 AM John C Klensin <john-ietf@jck.com <mailto:john-ietf@jck.com> > wrote: --On Thursday, July 30, 2020 11:19 -0400 Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com <mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> > wrote: > It came out of a conversation with Allison and Karen, and > without enough coffee today I am not sure who had that > thought, maybe Allison? But, I agree it is a good idea. I just learned something else about this that, in retrospect, should be no surprise but may tell us something about ways to think about this. I got on it more or less to look around (stimulating my earlier note) but, just as a was about to sign off, had Joel start a conversation which was interesting and helpful. But the reality is that all of us know each other: Joel (both of them), and Kathleen, Ben, Victor, and I have all had enough conversations over the years (even though I don't think I've met the latter two f2f) that, given a bit of motivation reaching out and talking with each other is rather easy. The interesting part, however, is that the conversation Joel and I were having was joined by a newcomer to the IETF who didn't know either of us or our work. Led to a very interesting conversation and, for me, the most fun I've had this week... and maybe some useful advice and contacts for him in finding work of interest in the IETF. I think the regular chat session windows are a good idea but I also see a great deal of potential for what would amount to a periodic equivalent to a newcomer's meet and greet session, maybe even encouraging people to connect and start conversations who would be too shy to approach one of us current or former AD types in a physical hallway. This makes me wonder how we will poll any newcomers from IETF108, or even relatively new contributors from IETF108 to see how it may have compared to in-person meetings. I think you are right that many of us have had longstanding relationships with others, therefore meeting-up is more of a re-connect vs. a first-connect (very different). I recall Erik Kline chatting with me and helping me out. I am sure that was based on him already knowing whom I was, and that I was apparently lost (my first day, I was trapped in lobby as I was not good at navigating the landscape). regards, Victor K john
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- Re: Disappointing take-up of Gather.Town John C Klensin
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- Re: Disappointing take-up of Gather.Town Kathleen Moriarty
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- Re: Disappointing take-up of Gather.Town Vittorio Bertola
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