Re: The ecosystem is moving
Dave Cridland <dave@cridland.net> Fri, 13 May 2016 18:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: The ecosystem is moving
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On 13 May 2016 at 18:56, Dave Crocker <dcrocker@gmail.com> wrote: > On 5/13/2016 10:32 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > >> I have to agree with Martin's general conclusions here: using XMPP is >> really hard, both as an end-user and as a provider. I am able to get >> it working about one out of every three IETFs. The sticky wicket tends >> to be finding a place that will both host my XMPP account _and_ >> interoperate with the IETF's XMPP server. >> >> Why doesn't the IETF just operate an XMPP server on which IETF >> participants can get accounts? Layer 9, or is it just really hard? >> > > > Yes, but... > > The IETF is supposed to be about interoperability. If XMPP has on-going > utility problems with interoperability, the IETF should look for ways to > fix them. > > XMPP does not have ongoing problems with interop. Quite the opposite - the community is extremely positively engaged with the standards process at the XSF, and interoperability issues are detected fast, treated seriously, and fixed quickly. If they occur due to specifications being unclear, the spec is fixed. Every server I'm aware of, with the exception of Google's XMPP S2S service (still operating but fundamentally broken) has supported at least the baseline of "XMPP" for years. > To date, we really only have two services that demonstrate open (ie, > multi-administration) interoperability at Internet scale: email and DNS. > > If we're talking user-level services, I think we can add XMPP. Honestly, I think XMPP interops better than email does, from a purely technical standpoint. Obviously email is hugely more popular, but it's become something of a minefield to safely interop in. > After this many years, that's sad. > > > d/ > > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > >
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- Re: The ecosystem is moving Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Martin Rex
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- Re: The ecosystem is moving Dave Crocker
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Alia Atlas
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Dave Cridland
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Ted Lemon
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Dave Cridland
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Dave Crocker
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Ted Lemon
- Re: The ecosystem is moving John Levine
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Dave Crocker
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Matthew Kerwin
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Miles Fidelman
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- Re: The ecosystem is moving John Levine
- Re: The ecosystem is moving Richard Shockey
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- Re: The ecosystem is moving Miles Fidelman
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