Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events"
Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> Fri, 10 July 2020 12:01 UTC
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Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:01:22 +0200
From: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>
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Subject: Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events"
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On Fri, 26 Jun 2020, Bob Hinden wrote: > We would like the w.g. to consider and comment on these issues when > responding to this adoption call. I agree that there are problems to be solved in this space (thus I support adoption), but I think that the current version of the draft is way too overengineered and "heavy handed". I think we can achieve all the benefit without changing so much of current behavior. For new communication, hosts will primarily use the GUA address with the highest preferred value. So this is where we should focus the effort. Having addresses based on valid-lifetimes around that are no longer functional but are not used is of very little real life problem in my experience. It's mostly a cosmetic problem. In the topology of: RGW <-> L2-switch <-> host We can easily get RGW changes without link-down to the host. This is the same for wifi case if there are separate APs from the RGW. So there are problems that can occur without host L1 down as a signal that something changed. If the RGW is power cycled and comes up with lower timers (perhaps because new ISP or old ISP changed DHCPv6-PD timers) we might now be in a case where the old PIO based addresses might have higher preferred value than the new RA/PIO that the RGW is now sending. So there is a problem to solve here. However, I do not agree with all the valid-lifetime changes and arbitrary cap:ing (where did the value "48 *" come from?). I see no major upside in restricting network manager choice when it comes to valid times. So perhaps we can come up with / keep some simple heuristics regarding lack of old PIO information and then at that point, we cap those addresses preferred values to be less than the currently seen PIO by the same router, or if there is another router announcing RAs. There might be a MAY section talking about connection checker kicking off for some of these cases to verify connectivity of those potentially no longer working addresses? I don't want to go too deep into solution space. Just to iterate, I support adoption but I think the draft will need quite a lot of changes before I would support publication. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
- Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness of St… Bob Hinden
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Tim Chown
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustne… xiechf@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Tim Chown
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Sander Steffann
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Loganaden Velvindron
- RE: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Ted Lemon
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Adoption [was: Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… otroan
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com
- Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving the Ro… Bob Hinden
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Fernando Gont
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Bob Hinden
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Ted Lemon
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Bob Hinden
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont