Adoption [was: Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events" ]
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Subject: Adoption [was: Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness of Stateless Address Autoconfiguration (SLAAC) to Flash Renumbering Events" ]
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Brian, >> First of all I agree that we do have a problem with flash renumbering >> and it would be desirable to make the protocol more robust. >> However I have some reservations about the changes proposed by the >> draft and I do not support the adoption in its current form. >> (I'd disagree with the argument that 'adopting does not mean the draft >> will be published as it is so let's adopt it and figure out the >> content later'. IMHO adopting the draft means that the WG agrees with >> the proposed standard changes in principle and is willing to work on >> polishing the details. > > No, that isn't what it means. In fact it's rather undefined what > "adoption" means, but the most important thing it means is that > change control moves from the authors to the WG. So the WG can choose > to polish the draft a bit, or to completely change the proposal, > or to drop it after another year of discussion. I agree that a move of change control is what we want. My own thoughts from observing the process: This might be more what should happen in theory rather than what actually happens in practice. There are several reasons for that I would imagine. One being the practice of documents having individuals named as authors. I have tried to move the needle on change control somewhat with the use of SCM and github, but so far it's too early to tell if that makes a difference. It's also very hard to un-adopt a document when it's first been adopted. Given that, it is no surprise that the barrier to adoption is high and potentionally increasing over time. Cheers, Ole
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- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Gyan Mishra
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Tim Chown
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustne… xiechf@chinatelecom.cn
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Tim Chown
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Sander Steffann
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Nick Hilliard
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Mark Smith
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Loganaden Velvindron
- RE: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Jen Linkova
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Loganaden Velvindron
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Ted Lemon
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Adoption [was: Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… otroan
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Joel M. Halpern
- RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… Manfredi (US), Albert E
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Michael Richardson
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Erik Kline
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Philip Homburg
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… Fernando Gont
- Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Adoption Call for "Improving t… jmh.direct@joelhalpern.com
- Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving the Ro… Bob Hinden
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Fernando Gont
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Bob Hinden
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Ted Lemon
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Bob Hinden
- Re: Conclusion of Adoption Call for "Improving th… Fernando Gont
- Re: Adoption Call for "Improving the Robustness o… Fernando Gont