Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions
Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> Fri, 26 July 2013 08:30 UTC
Return-Path: <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
X-Original-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C56D21F8F78 for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:30:22 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.195
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.195 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.597, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t+Okay8LwRlM for <mmusic@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from sesbmg20.ericsson.net (sesbmg20.ericsson.net [193.180.251.56]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54F5321F8613 for <mmusic@ietf.org>; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
X-AuditID: c1b4fb38-b7f456d000002e83-9a-51f233866e29
Received: from ESESSHC009.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by sesbmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 06.B0.11907.68332F15; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:29:59 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from ESESSMB209.ericsson.se ([169.254.9.135]) by ESESSHC009.ericsson.se ([153.88.183.45]) with mapi id 14.02.0328.009; Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:29:58 +0200
From: Christer Holmberg <christer.holmberg@ericsson.com>
To: Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu>, Emil Ivov <emcho@jitsi.org>
Thread-Topic: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions
Thread-Index: AQHOhsxOmoY6im5NjkKbz0BNRi4Q7ZlyXsGAgAOQsoCAALeVVg==
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:29:58 +0000
Message-ID: <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C40A57F@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se>
References: <51D43186.2010907@jitsi.org> <F81CEE99482EFE438DAE2A652361EE12114A0200@MCHP04MSX.global-ad.net> <51D6D456.7090900@jitsi.org> <F81CEE99482EFE438DAE2A652361EE12114A1127@MCHP04MSX.global-ad.net> <51DAE06C.1030203@alum.mit.edu> <F81CEE99482EFE438DAE2A652361EE12114A31B0@MCHP04MSX.global-ad.net> <51DC9180.5070407@jitsi.org> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C3F2106@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <51EC2EF7.1090000@jitsi.org> <51EC5569.60106@alum.mit.edu> <51EC5B75.1020306@jitsi.org> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C3F366B@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <51ED0C24.30206@jitsi.org> <7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C3F685F@ESESSMB209.ericsson.se> <51EEB807.6010704@jitsi.org>, <51F1B5A7.1060400@alum.mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <51F1B5A7.1060400@alum.mit.edu>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_7594FB04B1934943A5C02806D1A2204B1C40A57FESESSMB209erics_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrBLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvrW678adAgzuf2S3W7JzAYjF1+WMW ixUbDrBa7Npe48Di8ff9ByaPJUt+Mnn8fxPoceP2e+YAligum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujKuLlzAV LFSuePrsAksDY5tcFyMnh4SAiUR3YwsLhC0mceHeejYQW0jgKKPEsq15XYxcQPYSRomnV1qA EhwcbAIWEt3/tEFMEQFXiXnPFEHKmQXiJP7fvMcEYgsLGEs8PNbIBFFiIvH6ihtIWETASeLL zElg01kEVCW2zHoIZvMK+Eo8f3CGFWLrbVaJGZv1QWxOAR2JxRcnMoPYjECXfT+1hglilbjE rSfzmSAuFpBYsuc8M4QtKvHy8T9WiJp8iXX73kDNF5Q4OfMJywRGkVlI2mchKZuFpAwiridx Y+oUNghbW2LZwtfMELauxIx/h1iQxRcwsq9i5ChOLU7KTTcy2MQIjK2DW35b7GC8/NfmEKM0 B4uSOO8WvTOBQgLpiSWp2ampBalF8UWlOanFhxiZODilGhjN/yxy/LB/xoFEdY13zlWC2h3H kw+KzlXeE35rv+/tA5Epk2IeLBJV6v7k8WnXo9i0nJVFmU7b3p69oZqu+1KJYelTBa5VlU3v wuYdqDgsm7ns2kmXCXMfPN+ez1O2v26zSkyjy4zSArepNza/m/YhfmKE4IcNR2ebhm8767de 52HJut9Hvz5/oMRSnJFoqMVcVJwIAFwFChB7AgAA
Cc: "mmusic_ietf.org" <mmusic@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions
X-BeenThere: mmusic@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Multiparty Multimedia Session Control Working Group <mmusic.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/mmusic>
List-Post: <mailto:mmusic@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mmusic>, <mailto:mmusic-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 08:30:23 -0000
Hi, I am not sure we would need to define anything new - we could simply say that Trickle ICE UAs don't send Offer/Answers in PRACKSs :) Regards, Christer Sent from Windows using TouchDown (www.nitrodesk.com) -----Original Message----- From: Paul Kyzivat [pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu] To: Emil Ivov [emcho@jitsi.org] CC: Christer Holmberg [christer.holmberg@ericsson.com]; Stach, Thomas [thomas.stach@siemens-enterprise.com]; mmusic@ietf.org [mmusic@ietf.org] Subject: Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions On 7/23/13 1:06 PM, Emil Ivov wrote: > I actually think we could pull this off with simple PRACKs. Only, rather > than using the "100rel" tag we go for something like "100rel-lite" which > could be defined to indicate that a UA supports PRACK but only for > reliability (and PRACK bodies are not allowed). This is crazy! Every new option presents backward compatibility issues, implementation issues, ... It doesn't make sense to define a new option that is a subset of a long time existing option. This is *not* rocket science. Just tell people they need to support 100rel as a precondition for trickle ICE. If they find trickle ice worthwhile they can implement it. I'd be amazed if there are any SBCs that don't support PRACK. (But Hadriel will fill us in about that.) Thanks, Paul
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Stach, Thomas
- [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Dan Wing
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Stach, Thomas
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Alan Johnston
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Vijaya Mandava (vimandav)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Cullen Jennings (fluffy)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Emil Ivov
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Vijaya Mandava (vimandav)
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Parthasarathi R
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Christer Holmberg
- Re: [MMUSIC] Trickle ICE for SIP Questions Stach, Thomas
- [MMUSIC] UPDATE vs INFO for SIP Trickle ICE [was … Parthasarathi R