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John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Sun, 03 March 2024 10:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Mtgvenue] New Version Notification for draft-daley-gendispatch-venue-requirements-02.txt
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On Sun, 3 Mar 2024, Benson Muite wrote:
>> I'm not sure what you mean ehre.
> It would be good to separate the rotation policy from determining
> whether a meeting is exploratory.

You seem to be saying this as though it's obvious.  It's not obvious and I 
expect I'm not the only person who thinks it's just wrong.

> Travel time is tricky.  If all attendees add their closest departure
> airport to the data tracker, one could create a program to calculate
> minimum travel time for a certain fare level.  Some attendees also face
> visa issues, which may be difficult to factor into travel time.

Yes, we know all that, and the visa issues are quite subtle.  For example, 
in North America the U.S. has a reputation as being difficult for visas, 
but attendees have told us that Canada is sometimes worse because they can 
take forever to say yes or no.  While it is likely easier to get a Mexican 
visa, from a lot of the world the only reasonable routes to Mexico are via 
the U.S.

Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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